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So i've been told that because the disembark rule doesn't say "wholly within" you could technically deploy the units further than 3" away by having them touch the 3" limit.

is that true?

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
So i've been told that because the disembark rule doesn't say "wholly within" you could technically deploy the units further than 3" away by having them touch the 3" limit.

is that true?

Technically, yes, you don't need to be wholly within 3" - but you can't daisy-chain out. You can have each model touch the edge of the 3" zone, but no further than that. The 3" is measured model-by-model.

Battle Primer wrote:When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.

Aelyn wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
So i've been told that because the disembark rule doesn't say "wholly within" you could technically deploy the units further than 3" away by having them touch the 3" limit.

is that true?

Technically, yes, you don't need to be wholly within 3" - but you can't daisy-chain out. You can have each model touch the edge of the 3" zone, but no further than that. The 3" is measured model-by-model.

Battle Primer wrote:When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.

so i could gain almost an inch when disembarking with models on 32mm bases... thats actually huge

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Aelyn wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
So i've been told that because the disembark rule doesn't say "wholly within" you could technically deploy the units further than 3" away by having them touch the 3" limit.

is that true?

Technically, yes, you don't need to be wholly within 3" - but you can't daisy-chain out. You can have each model touch the edge of the 3" zone, but no further than that. The 3" is measured model-by-model.

Battle Primer wrote:When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.

so i could gain almost an inch when disembarking with models on 32mm bases... thats actually huge

That is how it's always been, IIRC (although it used to be within 2" and from access points)

From the 4th edition BRB:

It's also the reason GW had to errata the BRB missions to say that you had to deploy your units "wholly within" your deployment zone. Originally it said "within", so you could have 1 Conscript touching your deployment zone and the other 49 daisy chained to the moon and back.

Everything that has been said here is correct.

Not to confuse maters, but since we're on the topic you can also disembark from transports that are completely surrounded so long as you can still stay more than 1" away from enemy models.

This is because...
1. Transports no longer have access points. This means that there is no prescribed path of movement from a point of origin.
2. The Disembarkation rule uses the terminology "Set up" with defined restrictions. This means that as long as you meat the criteria of "Within 3" of the transport" and "More than 1" away from enemy models" you can still get out. Effectively you could have a SM Rhino (or similar) completely surrounded by enemy models on 25mm bases and (for this example) so long as they're all in base contact with the Rhino you can "set up" your SM Tactical Squad models beyond those enemy models surrounding the Rhino. Kind of like leap-frogging over them.

If you can disembark more than 1" away from enemy then yes you can. but if your surrounded then i don't think you can place your models anywhere legal and thus killing your embarked units.

so yes you are true. if they have placed their models base to base on 25mm you can set up around them.

Tazberry wrote:
If you can disembark more than 1" away from enemy then yes you can. but if your surrounded then i don't think you can place your models anywhere legal and thus killing your embarked units.

You're not making a move and thus don't need a path from the vehicle to where the disembaring unit is set up. The vehicle can be completely surrounded and you can still disembark

To disembark over a unit, you just need a distance of 1" from that unit. As long as the bases for the enemy models don't extend to 1.9" away from the base of the vehicle, it IS possible to leapfrog them. Of course, I doubt you'll find an opponent that'll leave more than one or two gaps like that, but it's not impossible.

Please consult this super technical and high definition image. This is a legal disembark.

More than 1" from enemies but within 3" of the transport..

Any model that cannot be set up this way count as destroyed.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Please consult this super technical and high definition image. This is a legal disembark.

Spoiler:

This is correct. This is what I was trying to put into words. Thank you BaconCatBug.

Note that you cannot charge after disembarking, but you can heroically intervene. So a character can "move" a hair under 12" from the transport within a single turn (disembark 3", HI 3", pile-in 3", consolidate 3").

 Suzuteo wrote:
Note that you cannot charge after disembarking, but you can heroically intervene. So a character can "move" a hair under 12" from the transport within a single turn (disembark 3", HI 3", pile-in 3", consolidate 3").

It would be a pretty convoluted situation that would allow you to heroically intervene, pile in and consolidate in anything close to a straight line. In most cases you will be lucky to end up more than 6" away.

 Suzuteo wrote:
Note that you cannot charge after disembarking, but you can heroically intervene. So a character can "move" a hair under 12" from the transport within a single turn (disembark 3", HI 3", pile-in 3", consolidate 3").

You can charge after disembarking, from the core rules:
"Units that disembark can then act normally move, shoot, charge, fight, etc.) during the remainder of their turn"

Yup. The only time you can't charge after disembarking is when your transport was destroyed during overwatch.

 flandarz wrote:
Yup. The only time you can't charge after disembarking is when your transport was destroyed during overwatch.

No, you cant charge under any circumstances after emergency disembarkation post FAQ.

This includes blowing up your transport via overcharged plasma during your own shooting phase.

Fair. I just used the most common way your Transport is gonna get blown up during your own turn.