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Hello! So I'm not currently playing WH40k but I've been wanting to get back into it. I haven't played since waaay back and I've been trying to read up on stuff and watch battlereports to get a hang of what I want to build.

This is the current idea I have and I do realise there's some stuff coming for Alpha legion so I may change things try to grab another relic weapon for the third Chaos Lord if they release a cool one.

This list is by no means meant to be tournament viable but I would like for it to at least be workable in a casual enviroment so any advice on how to improve it without changing the core of spammed similar characters using I Am Alpharius and a generally forward moving army I'm happy to listen to some more experienced people

I'm going to make my own custom warband and convert a bunch of models and I really want a uniform-ish equipment on the characters and Mark of Slaanesh on everything otherwise I'm pretty flexible with the content

The whole Index thing is a bit confusing to me but as far as I can understand it the Chaos characters on Steed of Slaanesh are still legal to use in normal play?

Alpha Legion Battalion
+1 Relic

Warlord - Chaos Lord on Steed of Slaanesh 102pts
Mark of Slaanesh
I Am Alpharius
Blade of the Hydra
Combi-Flamer

Chaos Lord on Steed of Slaanesh 106pts
Mark of Slaanesh
The Murder Sword
Combi-Flamer


Chaos Lord on Steed of Slaanesh 106pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Power Sword
Combi-Flamer

5x Chaos Space Marines 100pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Aspiring Champion with Combi-Plasma
Plasma Gun

5x Chaos Space Marines 100pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Aspiring Champion with Combi-Plasma
Plasma Gun

5x Chaos Space Marines 100pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Aspiring Champion with Combi-Plasma
Plasma Gun

10x Chaos Terminators 388pts
Mark of Slaanesh
10x Combi-Plasma
9x Chain-Axe
1x Power Fist


Alpha Legion Battalion

Chaos Sorcerer on Steed of Slaanesh 135pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Force Sword
Combi-Flamer

Chaos Sorcerer on Steed of Slaanesh 135pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Force Sword
Combi-Flamer

10x Chaos Cultists 50pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Autoguns

10x Chaos Cultists 50pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Autoguns

10x Chaos Cultists 50pts
Mark of Slaanesh
Autoguns


Alpha Legion Vanguard

Dark Apostle 110pts
Mark of Slaanesh
2x Disciples
Benediction of Darkness
Blissful Devotion

Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought 156pts
Mark of Slaanesh
2x Hellforged Deathclaw
2x Ectoplasma Blaster
1x Havoc Launcher

Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought 156pts
Mark of Slaanesh
2x Hellforged Deathclaw
2x Ectoplasma Blaster
1x Havoc Launcher

Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought 156pts
Mark of Slaanesh
2x Hellforged Deathclaw
2x Ectoplasma Blaster
1x Havoc Launcher

Total 2000pts - 13CP

Hey man, welcome back.

I had had a gap from 5th ed through to the start of 8th. I generally play a mix of daemons, T Sons and Alpha Legion here's what I've learned:

1) Shooting and psychic from behind a screen is generally better than mele focused play. There's sooo many tricks to use against mele and there's a lot of stuff to remember to play mele lists well.
2) VotLW and Endles Cacophony is by far the best stratergy combo in the game.
3) a spread of wepon types is essential, you need a few high AP d6/ 3D weapons, a bunch of hig rof medium strength and a decent ammount of chaff clearing.
4) Reaper Chaincannons and amazing
5) If you are taking mele then you're better off with the fly keyword always!

Looking at the list above

1) jump packs will be more useful on lords
2) dark apostle is expensive and will probably not help, your opponent will shoot the non buffed unit
3) I'd take one deathclaw one, chain claw on those contemptors. For a few points it'll really up their damage vs knights and the like
4) I'd drop one lord and downgrade the dark apostle to a warpsmith and take some RCC havocks. Hide them and spring them on your opponent for 64 heavy bolter shots with +1 to wound

Thank you for the advice!

I really want the steeds for modelling purposes so I'm fine with them being a little weaker.

I was thinking the Dark Apostle would be good buffing the Terminators but maybe he's a bit too expensive for that

Do you still get the doube claw bonus if you only upgrade one of them?

I wanna keep the lord but I'll see about getting some Havocs in there are the RCC should I chain the loadout on the CSM squads to carry some of them as well or should I keep them just to havocs?

Ditch everything in this list including the alpha legion tags. As said before Slaaneshi shooty units are amazing like say.

Chosen terminators that deep strike and all have combi weapons /heavy flamers

Chosen marines in transport all rocking combi plasma/melta accompanied by a lord, exalted champ and maybe a sorcerer. I usually use Flawless host but renegades cant use VoTLW.

Chaos Space Marines or Chaos soup lists, inn my experience, is best used in conjunction of heavy CP use. Choosing very little in the way of chaff or throw away units. There are many very good effective units that are reasonably priced and turn really nasty with cp usage.

Red corsairs are really good for characters and CP boosting.
All infantry, characters and hellbrute can advance and charge
Huron blackheart is a lord and psyker who can cast 2 powers a turn for 105pts with a fist, heavy flame and 4+ invul l. He also gets reaver lord, warlord trait to get you 2 relics for free. Since him being warlord also gives you an extra CP

Corsairs also have the second best strat in the game... pickup and redeploy any chaos space marines unit on any table edge at full strength. I put 3 meltas. Fist and slaanesh icon in a 20 man unit for maximum threat level.

Iron warrior slaaneshi oblits are pretty good for almost guaranteed destruction of anything under knight level strength in 1 turn


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I still haven't found a great use or fit for my playstyle for a Dark Apostle. No bike or jump pack option really sucks.

My Narrative Themed army in a [no-vehicle] meta is.

D1
2 Chaos Lords, Jump Pack.
20 Chaos Space Marines.
20 Chaos Cultists.
9 Chaos Terminators.
15 Chaos Havocs.

D2
2 Sorcerers, Jump Pack.
20 Chaos Cultists.
20 Chaos Space Marines.

Cultists are 20 man units.
CSM are 10 man units.
Terminators are khorne
Havocs are slaanesh
Everything else is nurgle.
CSM squads have x2 chaincannon
havocs have auto cannons.

I was more looking for advice to make my list work rather than what completely different CSM lists I could build but thanks you both anyways

Yziel wrote:
Thank you for the advice!

I really want the steeds for modelling purposes so I'm fine with them being a little weaker.

I was thinking the Dark Apostle would be good buffing the Terminators but maybe he's a bit too expensive for that

Do you still get the doube claw bonus if you only upgrade one of them?

I wanna keep the lord but I'll see about getting some Havocs in there are the RCC should I chain the loadout on the CSM squads to carry some of them as well or should I keep them just to havocs?

Yeah the extra attacks are for two mele weapons so you can mix and match.

RCC in squads are great but not essential. Plasma is also useful to add in there and you don't get -1 to hit with moving and firing heavy weapons.

Mono AL isn't a bad idea at all it's the best shooting list trait and although you miss out on some great units you'd get in soup everything works together and looks good on the battlefield.

Don't know if you've seen the psychic awakening previews but there's a few neat tricks available. You can protecet those Terminators or RCC havocs from shooting, with a strat, as long as they're not the nearest unit. Also there's better warlord traits and relics to choose from.

If you can stick two lightning claws on one of thise lords then you can have a super blender. Also there's a great sniper lord you can build with a relic combi bolter and WL trait.

Finally you can put any infantry back in deepstrike which might help with positioning late game.

The rules previews are here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359378-chaos-rumors-in-psychic-awakening-2/page-12

I made some changes to your list . there are still about 200 points to spend. because you play alfa legion you can infiltrate troops (chosen ) for 1 CP a unit. set up more then 9 inches away from your opponent ... this way you move up your Characters and charge in 1 time giving them cover because you have troops with you just make sure after combat you consolidate your troops in front of your characters. (chosen with chainswords have 3 attacks a piece the power fist guys have 2 . so you have a mix match of things you can hit and do


+++ 2kalphastrikeforce (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) +++
++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ HQ +
Chaos Lord on Steed of Slaanesh: Chainsword, Combi-plasma, Lashing tongue on Steed of Slaanesh

Sorcerer on Steed of Slaanesh: Combi-plasma, Force sword, Lashing tongue on Steed of Slaanesh

+ Troops +
9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
Cultist Champion: Autogun

9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
Cultist Champion: Autogun

9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
Cultist Champion: Autogun

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++

+ HQ +
Warpsmith: Bolt pistol, Flamer, Meltagun, No Chaos Mark, Power axe

+ Heavy Support +
Hellforged Deredeo Dreadnought: Ectoplasma battery, Greater havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark, Twin heavy bolter

Hellforged Deredeo Dreadnought: Ectoplasma battery, Greater havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark, Twin heavy bolter

Hellforged Deredeo Dreadnought: Ectoplasma battery, Greater havoc launcher, No Chaos Mark, Twin heavy bolter

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) ++
+ HQ +
Chaos Lord on Steed of Slaanesh: Blade of the Hydra, Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Lashing tongue on Steed of Slaanesh, Warlord

Sorcerer on Steed of Slaanesh: Bolt pistol, Force sword, Lashing tongue on Steed of Slaanesh

+ Elites +
10 X Chosen
3xChosen Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Power fist
6xChosen Bolt pistol, Boltgun Chainsword
Chosen Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Power fist

10 X Chosen
3xChosen Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Power fist
6xChosen Bolt pistol, Boltgun Chainsword
Chosen Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Power fist


10 X Chosen
3xChosen Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Power fist
6xChosen Bolt pistol, Boltgun Chainsword
Chosen Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Power fist

++ Total: [122 PL, 1,796pts] ++

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