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Here's the overall premise: I'm making a DW list using exclusively multi wound models (so Primaris and Characters only). With the recent CA2019 points drops, however, it looks like I've got about 100 points available and a Drop Pod with space available.
But I don't want to include 1W Marines because the theme of my army is "Movie Marines".
And with Sisters getting plastic models, I was thinking of getting a few just to paint anyway.

So in a list in which everything else is multi wound Marines, would it be too much of a stretch to have a single unit of 5 Sisters modeled with Stormbolters and a unit leader with a Stormshield count as 5 DW vets with SB/SSs?
They would be in the Pod with a WatchMaster and Librarian.

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No. Just tell your opponent. I don't get why people need to ask stuff like this, they're your models amd your army, do what you want and if anyone tells you otherwise they probably aren't worth playing against.

I’d have no problems with it.

My general rules of thumb for counts-as is keep it uniform, keep it simple, keep it rare. The more I need to keep track of what’s what in your list, the less I can focus on having fun.

All SoB=DW vets, when there are no other DW vets is uniform.
The gear/role is the same, so it’s a simple swap.
If it’s the only non-WYSWYG thing in your list, it’s rare. (If there are more then ~3 of these kind of things, then this is no longer the case)

If you take a step back from a “pure” WYSWYG point of view, it’s still mostly WYSWYG. What do I see? A unit with a 3+ save and stormbolters. What do I get? The same. Sure, what I actually see might be T3, with only the SS on the sarge, and they might be a little punchier in CC then the models appear. But tactically, I’m going to treat them mostly the same. It’s not like “All flamers are melta” where what I see has a vastly different impact on the game then what I get.

YMMV of course, check with your locals. And probably not for tournament play.

I wouldn't care, though it doesn't make allot of sense with the Sisters rules possibly being solid so far.

Just run them as a patrol of Sisters. It is 90 pts for 1 troop and 1 HQ, giving you enough for a couple special weapons (storm bolters!/flamer) or a heavy bolter, or a Blessed Blade on the Canoness if you want some melee beating.

You could even go whole hog and spend a CP for the Sororitas warlord trait that gives you D3 before the game (if you are Ebon Chalice), at the very least refunding the cost and making your first Miracle Dice a 6, or you could get more. Or the Argent Shroud trait to keep her just behind the front to intervene and carve up some nasties. Or the Valorous Heart trait plus the Iron Surplice relic (2CP) to make her into one hell of a tank.

 Sim-Life wrote:
No. Just tell your opponent. I don't get why people need to ask stuff like this, they're your models amd your army, do what you want and if anyone tells you otherwise they probably aren't worth playing against.

Careful. Remember that huge thread with people saying you can't play your army as another because of its colours?

Not that I would refuse to play against this, but please don't. This is again one of your attempts to use completely unnecessary counts-as for a in-game advantage. Sisters have rules, use them.

If you were across from me at the table, I sure wouldn't have an issue with it. but best to check about your local area to see who'll actually accept it.

 Crimson wrote:
Not that I would refuse to play against this, but please don't. This is again one of your attempts to use completely unnecessary counts-as for a in-game advantage. Sisters have rules, use them.

This.

I'm starting to wonder if these threads are just created to stir a bit of gak up.

Thanx for the feedback so far. I full well do whatever I want with my models, but I generally like to get a feel for what my potential opponents will think of it. It's just courteous, why is the whole reason I am asking.
If I get a resounding "NO" then I won't waste my time and money.

But it seems that in general people would be on with this even if it does make sense to them. Which is fine because it makes sense to me.

 Crimson wrote:
This is again one of your attempts to use completely unnecessary counts-as for a in-game advantage. Sisters have rules, use them.

What in-game advantage? Sisters are on 32mm bases, have power armour and are about as tall as mini-marines. There's absolutely no advantage here, other then using rules that fit them in my army better.

Sisters would not be able to be in my Drop Pod and would require an HQ to run in a Patrol.
But using DW Vet rules, they'll fit right into my DW army. But I get an excuse to get the Sisters models that I've kinda wanted to paint anyway.

My reasoning, again, is because all Marines in my list are Primaris or Characters. But since only the Characters fit into the Pod, I'd need 1W Marines to escort them. I do not want mini-Marines in this list at all.

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Side question: If Sisters would be less acceptable, what about bolter Scouts instead? Put powerpacks on them and give their Sgt the Storm shield for the unit similar to how Dire Avengers Exarch has a shield that gives the whole unit an invulnerable save.

 Grimtuff wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if these threads are just created to stir a bit of gak up.

No. I start these threads as a way to talk out a potential idea I have in my brain. It's very useful to have other's opinions to either persaud or deter me from a potential costly project

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Why do you need to have have the veterans at all and if you like the SoB models, why can't you get a HQ for them,so that they can form a SoB patrol?

 Crimson wrote:
Why do you need to have have the veterans at all and if you like the SoB models, why can't you get a HQ for them,so that they can form a SoB patrol?

I was toying with my list using the confirmed CA2019 changes and have EXACTLY enough points for 5 SB/SS vets. And I wasn't putting anything in my Drop Pod but 2 Characters, so there was room for them.
I tried brainstorming other options but it just seems too convenient. Like there's a Vet shaped hole in my list.

The idea to use Sister models came later as I was investigating non-mini-marine GW model options.
But now I am contemplating using Scouts instead. I never would have reached that point if no one objected to using Sisters. So IMO, this thread was worth it for me

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Get the actual Deathwatch kit, not the Tac marine kit. They're visually distinct from Primaris, proportional, and they'll fit in the theme.

Sterling191 wrote:
Get the actual Deathwatch kit, not the Tac marine kit. They're visually distinct from Primaris, proportional, and they'll fit in the theme.

Downsides may include:
-costing more than my other ideas
-coming with tons of extra bits that may lead me to making more models I don't want (I have a compulsion about extra bits)
-looking like they SHOULD be 2W as all Marines should.

But I'll put them down as plan G if plans A-F don't work out for me.

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 Galef wrote:
Here's the overall premise: I'm making a DW list using exclusively multi wound models (so Primaris and Characters only). With the recent CA2019 points drops, however, it looks like I've got about 100 points available and a Drop Pod with space available.
But I don't want to include 1W Marines because the theme of my army is "Movie Marines".
And with Sisters getting plastic models, I was thinking of getting a few just to paint anyway.

So in a list in which everything else is multi wound Marines, would it be too much of a stretch to have a single unit of 5 Sisters modeled with Stormbolters and a unit leader with a Stormshield count as 5 DW vets with SB/SSs?
They would be in the Pod with a WatchMaster and Librarian.

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You only play with your kids. So ask them....

Yeah I was gonna say, the answer is the same as every time you ask a question similar to this, OP...

The point is that asking the question helps me think it through. It doesn't matter that I mostly play my kids. They don't care. But I do sometimes get out to play with other adults who have similar opinions as you fine folks here on Dakka.

So this is always a springboard for me to get conversion ideas that don't go too far.
My imagination can get pretty wild so I need outside opinions to reign them in.

In this instance I agree with some of you: the logical jump from 1W Marines vets to Sisters isn't the right call.
So I'm gonna go with Scouts instead. Give them Stormbolters, Marine helmets and 1 shoulder pad each

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 Galef wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Get the actual Deathwatch kit, not the Tac marine kit. They're visually distinct from Primaris, proportional, and they'll fit in the theme.

Downsides may include:
-costing more than my other ideas
-coming with tons of extra bits that may lead me to making more models I don't want (I have a compulsion about extra bits)
-looking like they SHOULD be 2W as all Marines should.

But I'll put them down as plan G if plans A-F don't work out for me.

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I doubt sisters are going to cost less then death watch veterns. a 5 man death watch kill team box is 35 bucks USDs. sisters are going to come in packs of 10 and I GARENTEE you will cost more then that. I'd be willing to bet they'll cost you 70 bucks a pop, in addition the sisters boxes also have a pretty beefy amount of kit options and their stuff won't be kit bashable with the marine stuff you already have.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Get the actual Deathwatch kit, not the Tac marine kit. They're visually distinct from Primaris, proportional, and they'll fit in the theme.

Downsides may include:
-costing more than my other ideas
-coming with tons of extra bits that may lead me to making more models I don't want (I have a compulsion about extra bits)
-looking like they SHOULD be 2W as all Marines should.

But I'll put them down as plan G if plans A-F don't work out for me.

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I doubt sisters are going to cost less then death watch veterns. a 5 man death watch kill team box is 35 bucks USDs. sisters are going to come in packs of 10 and I GARENTEE you will cost more then that. I'd be willing to bet they'll cost you 70 bucks a pop, in addition the sisters boxes also have a pretty beefy amount of kit options and their stuff won't be kit bashable with the marine stuff you already have.

Please refer to my prior post. I've changed my mind and am going with Scouts instead. Those will certainly be cheaper

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