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Hey folks,

Question regarding Tyranid Stratagem from Blood of Baal. Here's the stratagem in question:

"Symbiotic Devastation (1CP)
Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase. Select one *Exocrine* unit from your army; until the end of that phase, that unit is treated as not having moved in your Movement phase."

My question is, say an Exocrine started the Movement phase within 1" of an enemy, and used its movement to Fall Back. When this stratagem is used, since it no longer counts as having moved, does this mean it also don't count as having fallen back, since that is itself a type of move? In effect, would this allow the Exocrine to shoot even after having fallen back?

 Yarium wrote:
Hey folks,

Question regarding Tyranid Stratagem from Blood of Baal. Here's the stratagem in question:

"Symbiotic Devastation (1CP)
Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase. Select one *Exocrine* unit from your army; until the end of that phase, that unit is treated as not having moved in your Movement phase."

My question is, say an Exocrine started the Movement phase within 1" of an enemy, and used its movement to Fall Back. When this stratagem is used, since it no longer counts as having moved, does this mean it also don't count as having fallen back, since that is itself a type of move? In effect, would this allow the Exocrine to shoot even after having fallen back?

It counts as having not moved, but it did fall back, ergo it cannot shoot.

The stratagem doesn't magically have made the Exocrine not have fallen back or not have moved, it just gets to pretend it didn't move but not pretend it didn't fall back.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
Hey folks,

Question regarding Tyranid Stratagem from Blood of Baal. Here's the stratagem in question:

"Symbiotic Devastation (1CP)
Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase. Select one *Exocrine* unit from your army; until the end of that phase, that unit is treated as not having moved in your Movement phase."

My question is, say an Exocrine started the Movement phase within 1" of an enemy, and used its movement to Fall Back. When this stratagem is used, since it no longer counts as having moved, does this mean it also don't count as having fallen back, since that is itself a type of move? In effect, would this allow the Exocrine to shoot even after having fallen back?

It counts as having not moved, but it did fall back, ergo it cannot shoot.

The stratagem doesn't magically have made the Exocrine not have fallen back or not have moved, it just gets to pretend it didn't move but not pretend it didn't fall back.

Thanks!

Agree with that. It still Fell Back, even if it counts as not moving. The Strat would have to call out Fall Back moves specifically to ignore them.

It would however if the opponent charges you in his turn allow the Exocrine to fire twice in overwatch.

Doubt it's worth the CP for the stratagem, but just a thought.

Wagguy80 wrote:
It would however if the opponent charges you in his turn allow the Exocrine to fire twice in overwatch.

Doubt it's worth the CP for the stratagem, but just a thought.

I don't follow, the Strategem is used at the start of your shooting phase and only lasts until the end of that phase. I might be missing something, but how can this interact with overwatch?

Aash wrote:

Wagguy80 wrote:
It would however if the opponent charges you in his turn allow the Exocrine to fire twice in overwatch.

Doubt it's worth the CP for the stratagem, but just a thought.

I don't follow, the Strategem is used at the start of your shooting phase and only lasts until the end of that phase. I might be missing something, but how can this interact with overwatch?

You're not missing anything, it doesn't work.