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As the title asks? Some strats in the space Marines book say 'adeptus astartes' key word, like transhuman physiology. Well, Grey Knights and Space Wolves have the required key words, so they should be able to use it, right?

Yes but I think only if you take an SM detachment to 'unlock' said stratagems. Bear in mind I have no soup options for my faction so i right be completely wrong lol

No, due to Special Snowflake FAQ, which totally contradicts the entire point of the Keyword system and other FAQs that indicate you should be able to. Same issue happens for the Chaos Daemons stratagems.

WARHAMMER 40,000 CODEX: SPACE MARINES Official Update Version 1.1 wrote:Q. If I include a Space Marines Detachment in my army, can I use the Stratagems from Codex: Space Marines to affect Adeptus Astartes units from other codexes, such as Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Deathwatch?
A: No, as noted in the second paragraph under Space Marine Units and Detachments on page 174 of Codex: Space Marines.

Personally I think it's RAI that codex stratagems should only work on units from that codex. We do see that being ruled that way such as the example above. I think that also makes the most sense, but most importantly we need a firm and definitive answer from GW.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Personally I think it's RAI that codex stratagems should only work on units from that codex. We do see that being ruled that way such as the example above. I think that also makes the most sense, but most importantly we need a firm and definitive answer from GW.

So by that logic no stratagems from stuff like the Vigilus or Psychic Awakening books would ever work, nor would the BRB stratagems.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
No, due to Special Snowflake FAQ, which totally contradicts the entire point of the Keyword system and other FAQs that indicate you should be able to. Same issue happens for the Chaos Daemons stratagems.

WARHAMMER 40,000 CODEX: SPACE MARINES Official Update Version 1.1 wrote:Q. If I include a Space Marines Detachment in my army, can I use the Stratagems from Codex: Space Marines to affect Adeptus Astartes units from other codexes, such as Codex: Grey Knights or Codex: Deathwatch?
A: No, as noted in the second paragraph under Space Marine Units and Detachments on page 174 of Codex: Space Marines.

In blood of baal some stratagems vanilla marines have, have been changed to BA keywords, this will happen for other SM as well, when they get their PA book.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Personally I think it's RAI that codex stratagems should only work on units from that codex. We do see that being ruled that way such as the example above. I think that also makes the most sense, but most importantly we need a firm and definitive answer from GW.

So by that logic no stratagems from stuff like the Vigilus or Psychic Awakening books would ever work, nor would the BRB stratagems.

Indeed, 8th is becoming a real joke. GW cannot even follow it's own internal game design tenants. In this case the keyword and inheritance there through.

GW.. we introduce new edition with new systems like keywords with inheritance..
GW wat?! no we have no inheritance keywords mean nothing and neither do points.. also you need 100 books to play current edition.. have fun sorting through our complete failboat of 8th.

Even 7th was not this bad at its WORST. What is sad is the more they try to fix it the further they deviate from the core design concepts of 8th and the more they design for 7th edition rules but in 8th edition and nothing makes any sense anymore.

People screaming “it’s so confusing!” doesn’t mean something is actually confusing.

Also, claiming you need 100+ documents to play a game between two players with two armies is demonstrably nonsense.

People would do well to answer the YMDC question and reign in the soapboxing. Forum might be more useful as a result. Stick to the topic and stow your salt... spread it in General Discussion if you must.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
People screaming “it’s so confusing!” doesn’t mean something is actually confusing.

Also, claiming you need 100+ documents to play a game between two players with two armies is demonstrably nonsense.

People would do well to answer the YMDC question and reign in the soapboxing. Forum might be more useful as a result. Stick to the topic and stow your salt... spread it in General Discussion if you must.

Across how many books are current astartes data sheets? Since almost no one runs a single chapter... How many books do you need to have all the astartes data sheets?

Most folks don't just have one army and if one of those armies are heretic astartes, how many books does he need to cover all the possible data sheets?

So no, it isn't soapboxing. As someone who has heretic astartes, demon kin, demons, imperial guard, astartes, and dark eldar.. my list is even longer than most folks. Used to be you could get all the data sheets for an edition in just the individual codexes.

Data sheets are scattered, duplicated (often with errors), and have multiple versions across time and now codex 2.0 for some folks codex 2.5.

It's a little crazy.

They cannot even follow core tenants of the edition so they publish stuff that doesn't jive then have to FAQ it or FAQ it, chapter approve it, suppliment it, then codex 2.5 it...

Right now to play heretic astartes you need codex, CA2019, and if you are a longer time player you already have CA 2018 as well and you might even have indexes, codex 1.0, codex 2.0, demon kin, vigilus campaign....oh and don't forget to print your FAQs to fix all the errors and fixes released.

At least the guard and miss have it pretty easy as well as forgotten armies like grey knights and death guard.

They can't follow core design details of the edition to boot.

The game is 10x more bloated than 7th was and the rules. Are even more internally inconsistent.

 meatybtz wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
People screaming “it’s so confusing!” doesn’t mean something is actually confusing.

Also, claiming you need 100+ documents to play a game between two players with two armies is demonstrably nonsense.

People would do well to answer the YMDC question and reign in the soapboxing. Forum might be more useful as a result. Stick to the topic and stow your salt... spread it in General Discussion if you must.

Across how many books are current astartes data sheets? Since almost no one runs a single chapter... How many books do you need to have all the astartes data sheets?

Most folks don't just have one army and if one of those armies are heretic astartes, how many books does he need to cover all the possible data sheets?

So no, it isn't soapboxing. As someone who has heretic astartes, demon kin, demons, imperial guard, astartes, and dark eldar.. my list is even longer than most folks. Used to be you could get all the data sheets for an edition in just the individual codexes.

Data sheets are scattered, duplicated (often with errors), and have multiple versions across time and now codex 2.0 for some folks codex 2.5.

It's a little crazy.

They cannot even follow core tenants of the edition so they publish stuff that doesn't jive then have to FAQ it or FAQ it, chapter approve it, suppliment it, then codex 2.5 it...

Right now to play heretic astartes you need codex, CA2019, and if you are a longer time player you already have CA 2018 as well and you might even have indexes, codex 1.0, codex 2.0, demon kin, vigilus campaign....oh and don't forget to print your FAQs to fix all the errors and fixes released.

At least the guard and miss have it pretty easy as well as forgotten armies like grey knights and death guard.

They can't follow core design details of the edition to boot.

The game is 10x more bloated than 7th was and the rules. Are even more internally inconsistent.

Whilst what you say may be true, it does nothing to answer the question posed. This is You Make Da Call and is for helping people to answer questions on the rules, it is not for general 40k discussion about rules bloat.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Personally I think it's RAI that codex stratagems should only work on units from that codex. We do see that being ruled that way such as the example above. I think that also makes the most sense, but most importantly we need a firm and definitive answer from GW.

So by that logic no stratagems from stuff like the Vigilus or Psychic Awakening books would ever work, nor would the BRB stratagems.

I think you misunderstand me. I am saying that a codex: Space Marine stratagem should only work on codex space marine units. Other things could still effect them like the BRB and vigilus that you mentioned because those specifically call out what they effect which would include codex space marines. Now that we see Blood Angels getting codex space marines equivalents with the intent being to make them uniform and standard I do think this reinforces the idea that a stratagem in Codex space marines is only meant to be used on codex space marines. Of course I could be wrong so who knows with GW. They might release another errata that says yes you can mix and match all you want while still having the previous errata up that says you cant. They ruled in infinite hits on a single 6 so I wouldn't be surprised.