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Just a take on the Warp Talon/Letter Bomb idea. IW detachment could be replaced with an RC one for more CP and troop recycling or with EC for a Noise Marine bomb, although EC's inability to protect the squad is something I think is very problematic, especially in a list with such a heavy deep strike component since it just makes it a much bigger target on turn 1 for your opponent.

List has 15CP after Specialist Detachments (probably 12 CP after Daemon deep strike expenditures). NL Chaos Lord could probably hit a bit harder, but he's cheap and he's primarily there to not embarass himself while the letters and talons do the heavy lifting (also to deliver the Vox Damonicus, although this could be cut pretty easily), I also can't bring myself to spend 40 points for a Thunder Hammer. Additionally, Legion of Skulls could be cut, depending on how much value is placed upon adding 2 inches to your Heralds charging for 2 CP (I think I just talked myself out of this).


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons) [26 PL, 7CP, 487pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Chaos Allegiance: Khorne

Detachment CP [5CP]

Specialist Detachment [-1CP]: Legion of Skulls

+ HQ +

Bloodmaster [3 PL, 56pts]

Bloodmaster [3 PL, 56pts]

+ Troops +

Bloodletters [12 PL, 235pts]: 29x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper, Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos

Bloodletters [4 PL, 70pts]: 9x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper

Bloodletters [4 PL, 70pts]: 9x Bloodletter, Bloodreaper

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [37 PL, 3CP, 651pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Detachment CP [5CP]

Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic) [-1CP]

Legion: Night Lords

Specialist Detachment [-1CP]: Host Raptorial

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord with Jump Pack [6 PL, 109pts]: Combi-plasma, Mark of Khorne, Power axe, The Tip of the Claw, Vox Daemonicus

Sorcerer with Jump Pack [7 PL, 127pts]: Combi-plasma, Force stave, Mark of Nurgle, Prescience, Warptime

+ Troops +

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 75pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Reaper chaincannon

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 75pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Reaper chaincannon

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL, 75pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon: Reaper chaincannon

+ Fast Attack +

Warp Talons [12 PL, 190pts]: Mark of Khorne
. 9x Warp Talon: 9x Lightning Claw (pair)
. Warp Talon Champion: Lightning Claw (pair)

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [45 PL, 5CP, 860pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Dark Disciples [1 PL, 10pts]: 2x Dark Disciple

Detachment CP [5CP]

Legion: Iron Warriors

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince with Wings [9 PL, 168pts]: 5. Siege Master, Insidium, Khorne, Malefic talon, Warlord, Warp bolter, Wings

Dark Apostle [5 PL, 72pts]: Feculent Beseechment, Mark of Nurgle, Warpsight Plea

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

+ Heavy Support +

Havocs [7 PL, 150pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 4x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 4x Missile launcher

Havocs [7 PL, 170pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 4x Havoc w/ lascannon: 4x Lascannon

Havocs [7 PL, 170pts]: Mark of Slaanesh
. Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Chainsword
. 4x Havoc w/ lascannon: 4x Lascannon

++ Total: [108 PL, 15CP, 1,998pts] ++

Havocs: d6 lascan and d6 ML damage is too swingy to rely on. I'd go Autocannons all the way (gonna suck to change the models' weapons build). Worse, as 5 man squads, they're super easy to pick off. When I ran SM Dev squads, it was always with at least 8 bodies to be successful. Iron Warriors shooters are better off as Alpha Legion for the minus 'to hit' penalty.

If it was me I'd try oblitorators for iron warriors. They're soooo good now, the rampant techno virus is a reat strat and at 280 points you could maybe squeeze in 2 squads instead of the havocks.

 Brothererekose wrote:
Havocs: d6 lascan and d6 ML damage is too swingy to rely on. I'd go Autocannons all the way (gonna suck to change the models' weapons build). Worse, as 5 man squads, they're super easy to pick off. When I ran SM Dev squads, it was always with at least 8 bodies to be successful. Iron Warriors shooters are better off as Alpha Legion for the minus 'to hit' penalty.

So, each Havoc squad has a Cultist squad to use the Cannon Fodder strat with, so they have ablative wounds. Also, the swingy nature of the Lascannon/Missile Launcher is largely mitigated by Methodical Annihilation.

Additionally, the Siege Master Chaos Lord is providing re-roll 1s to hit and wound for all the Havocs, with Warpsight Plea from the Dark Apostle and Prescience from the Sorcerer.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:
Havocs: d6 lascan and d6 ML damage is too swingy to rely on. I'd go Autocannons all the way (gonna suck to change the models' weapons build). Worse, as 5 man squads, they're super easy to pick off. When I ran SM Dev squads, it was always with at least 8 bodies to be successful. Iron Warriors shooters are better off as Alpha Legion for the minus 'to hit' penalty.

So, each Havoc squad has a Cultist squad to use the Cannon Fodder strat with, so they have ablative wounds. Also, the swingy nature of the Lascannon/Missile Launcher is largely mitigated by Methodical Annihilation.

Additionally, the Siege Master Chaos Lord is providing re-roll 1s to hit and wound for all the Havocs, with Warpsight Plea from the Dark Apostle and Prescience from the Sorcerer.

It's these: "First, *this* step, and then that needs to go off, and then *if* THAT happens" ... that make for highly varied performance results.

Methodical Annihilation - good.
Cannon fodder - good, too.

Play it!