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Looking to buy into Eldar with almost an exclusive focus on the wraith models. I don't plan to be super competitive, but don't want to get tabled every game either.

Im looking for advice on my wraith lord load outs. I don't have the points for flamers on all of them. I'm also planning to use the Wrath of the Dead attribute and either the Concealment or Expert Crafters attribute.


++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [20 PL, 380pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: *Custom Craftworld*

+ HQ +

Farseer [6 PL, 115pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, 6: Seer of the Shifting Vector, Craftworlds Warlord, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear
. Faolchu's Wing

Warlock [2 PL, 45pts]: 0. Smite, 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

Warlock [2 PL, 45pts]: 0. Smite, 5. Quicken/Restrain, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

+ Elites +

Wraithblades [10 PL, 175pts]: Ghostswords, 5x Wraithblade

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [44 PL, 620pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: *Custom Craftworld*

+ HQ +

Wraithseer [9 PL, 113pts]: Starcannon

+ Elites +

Wraithguard [11 PL, 185pts]: D-scythe, 5x Wraithguard

+ Heavy Support +

Wraithlord [8 PL, 122pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 100pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord [8 PL, 100pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

++ Total: [64 PL, 1,000pts] ++

Given my experience, even most 1k lists will likely table you. Undead elves are really behind the power curve. SM have just so many wonderful toys and combinations. Standard drukhari or other craftworlds ... T8 ain't what it used to be.

That said.

Psy/Fury traits that assist the dead aren't good; the "Wrath of the Dead" sucks - 1 'a' reroll of a wound to wound? **

Not when Doom is out there, but there are Strike and Fade (recharge after Fall Back) and maybe Hunter of Relics.

chriachrias wrote:
Looking to buy into Eldar with almost an exclusive focus on the wraith models. I don't plan to be super competitive, but don't want to get tabled every game either.

Im looking for advice on my wraith lord load outs. I don't have the points for flamers on all of them. I'm also planning to use the Wrath of the Dead attribute and either the Concealment or Expert Crafters attribute.

**Nope.

chriachrias wrote:
++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [20 PL, 380pts] ++
Farseer [6 PL, 115pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, 6: Seer of the Shifting Vector, Craftworlds Warlord, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear
. Faolchu's Wing

Warlock [2 PL, 45pts]: 0. Smite, 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

Warlock [2 PL, 45pts]: 0. Smite, 5. Quicken/Restrain, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

Toss the Warlocks for spiritseers for many reasons:
1. More wounds per model, cuz warlocks can blow their own heads off in one Perils; spiritseers won't.
2. Spiritseers help undead elves. Duh!

chriachrias wrote:
Wraithblades [10 PL, 175pts]: Ghostswords, 5x Wraithblade

Didja already glue the swords on? The Axes will have better damamge output, and they gain an Invuln.

chriachrias wrote:
Wraithseer [9 PL, 113pts]: Starcannon

Wraithguard [11 PL, 185pts]: D-scythe, 5x Wraithguard
Wraithlord [8 PL, 122pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon
Wraithlord [8 PL, 100pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

Wraithlord [8 PL, 100pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Catapult, Shuriken Catapult

++ Total: [64 PL, 1,000pts] ++

Shave points somewhere to get flamers, as anyone who fields a flier at this level is going to be difficult to defeat.

I dunno, maybe I'm too far from having played 1k games, but I do know that at 2k, WLs are just 3 little Imperial Knights without Invulns and thus die super easy. Maybe that doesn't happen at 1k.

Wrath of the Dead reroll works on all reroll of 1, not just a single roll. Doom could be swapped to Fortune, but being able to reroll all wound rolls, not just 1s still seems good.

The wraithblades are meant to have axe/shields, just entered wrong in battlescribe (oops).

Adding a spiritseer seems good and getting flames seem good, but I'm pretty much costed out of those unless I restructure the detachments some how.


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Does this look any better?


++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [11 PL, 215pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: *Custom Craftworld*

+ HQ +

Farseer [6 PL, 115pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear
. Faolchu's Wing

Spiritseer [3 PL, 55pts]: 0. Smite, 4. Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol

Warlock [2 PL, 45pts]: 0. Smite, 5. Quicken/Restrain, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [53 PL, 782pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: *Custom Craftworld*

+ HQ +

Wraithseer [9 PL, 113pts]: 4: Fate's Messenger, Craftworlds Warlord, Starcannon

+ Elites +

Wraithguard [20 PL, 333pts]: D-scythe, 9x Wraithguard

+ Heavy Support +

Wraithlord [8 PL, 112pts]: Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 112pts]: Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 112pts]: Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

++ Total: [64 PL, 997pts] ++

This 2nd go-through looks reasonably tight for wraith-elves.

D-scythes ought to be able to hose most vehicles & tough things. Flamers and fists and cannons for footers.

:Thumbsup:

Are your 1k games capped at no-Knights? No Morty, Maggie or Bobby-Billy? Like the old Combat Patrol rules, when vehicles had armor sides? Nothing over 32 points, that is, Rhinos & Wave Serpents and Knights would be banned. As best I recall, only dark eldar vehicles were soft enough at 11, 10, 10.

Again, I apologize at not being able to wrap my head around what other 1k lists would be, unless they're just half of what one sees at 2k, but memory serves it doesn't quite work that way.

Play it!

Well, certainly not my pick.
Wraithlords are meh, too slow and too less damage output.
I'd go for 3x5 Rangers, 2x 5 Wraithguard w/ D-scythes, and 2 Serpents.
Take cheap HQs such as one or two Spiritseers.

 Brothererekose wrote:
This 2nd go-through looks reasonably tight for wraith-elves.

D-scythes ought to be able to hose most vehicles & tough things. Flamers and fists and cannons for footers.

:Thumbsup:

Are your 1k games capped at no-Knights? No Morty, Maggie or Bobby-Billy? Like the old Combat Patrol rules, when vehicles had armor sides? Nothing over 32 points, that is, Rhinos & Wave Serpents and Knights would be banned. As best I recall, only dark eldar vehicles were soft enough at 11, 10, 10.

Again, I apologize at not being able to wrap my head around what other 1k lists would be, unless they're just half of what one sees at 2k, but memory serves it doesn't quite work that way.

Play it!

Im just starting up again. I'm not really interested in telling people what they can or can't play. Just trying to get the core of models I enjoy the most with optimal load outs and such. I hope to use this as a base to expand into a 2k list with a wraithknight (I know they're not stellar right now) and some flyers maybe.

chriachrias wrote:
Im just starting up again. I'm not really interested in telling people what they can or can't play. Just trying to get the core of models I enjoy the most with optimal load outs and such. I hope to use this as a base to expand into a 2k list with a wraithknight (I know they're not stellar right now) and some flyers maybe.

Next purchases (bust out yer wallet):
3x5 rangers
farseer onna bike (better than Faolchu's wing)
Hemlock/Crimson Hunter x3 - the CH took a points increase with the latest Chapter Approved, but I like the Hemolck's psy an flamer element over the pricier CHE's guns. Try ebay for $40 a bird. I found a 'make an offer' and went $5 under and instant sell.

Believe me, I wanna field my wraithknight, who's foot you can see in my dakka avatar pic, but too much of the meta is ready to flatten a knight, and unfortunately, a WK is a weaker version of most Imperial Knights ... protected and fortuned would bend the math, but that's two psy powers going off.

I miss 6e & 7e.

The main problem I find with my Wraithlords is their lack of invil. They soak damage from light weapons, but a lascannon to the head, which is hard to hide, hurts a lot.
Since you have a few lords in the list, that shouldn't be such a problem.

Talking of lascannon, the glaive is a 4-shot version, when in melee. The glaive is very good, especially when the Spiritseer is near.

I get that rangers are great for a super cheap battalion. I came up with the list below. I just really don't want to buy into 3 units of fine cast rangers.




++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [18 PL, 345pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: *Custom Craftworld*

+ HQ +

Farseer [6 PL, 110pts]: 0. Smite, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

Spiritseer [3 PL, 55pts]: 0. Smite, Shuriken Pistol

+ Troops +

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

Rangers [3 PL, 60pts]: 5x Ranger

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [44 PL, 651pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: *Custom Craftworld*

+ HQ +

Wraithseer [9 PL, 110pts]: Shuriken Cannon

+ Elites +

Wraithguard [11 PL, 185pts]: D-scythe, 5x Wraithguard

+ Heavy Support +

Wraithlord [8 PL, 122pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 122pts]: Flamer, Flamer, Ghostglaive, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 112pts]: Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

++ Total: [62 PL, 996pts] ++

Well, looks much better.
Wraithlords are not bad in small pt games as in these games they are rather hard to remove.
In larger games, however, I'd take Wraithguard in Serpents and supporting units such as flyers, fire prisms and warwalkers.
More bang for the bucks.

chriachrias wrote:
I get that rangers are great for a super cheap battalion. I came up with the list below. I just really don't want to buy into 3 units of fine cast rangers.

I'm on-board with you. Any Finecast blows.So much under flash to scraped out.

DRs = This week, during assembly, I ripped off a dark reaper's ear flap. One of their little back staves snapped off, while I used a finger nail to scrape off a piece of flash as I applied the counter push the wrong way. And loads of under chin and under places flash.

Rangers = the one dude holding up his rifle? Yeah, the barrel snaps off easily. Still, I like them better in play for the light weight, as I own 5 metal ones, too.

Maybe I can sneak dire avengers in, but I feel like I'm getting pretty off theme. I'm okay with sacrificing some competitiveness to keep the model count low.

Is this even really any better?


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [63 PL, 1,000pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Craftworld Attribute: None (Mixed Detachment)

+ HQ +

Farseer [6 PL, 110pts]: 0. Smite, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade

Spiritseer [3 PL, 55pts]: 0. Smite, Shuriken Pistol

Wraithseer [9 PL, 113pts]: Starcannon

+ Troops +

Dire Avengers [3 PL, 58pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Two Avenger Shuriken Catapults
. . Exarch Power: Battle Fortune

Dire Avengers [3 PL, 58pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Two Avenger Shuriken Catapults
. . Exarch Power: Battle Fortune

Dire Avengers [3 PL, 58pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Two Avenger Shuriken Catapults
. . Exarch Power: Battle Fortune

+ Elites +

Wraithguard [11 PL, 185pts]: D-scythe, 5x Wraithguard

+ Heavy Support +

Wraithlord [8 PL, 112pts]: Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

Wraithlord [8 PL, 112pts]: Flamer, Flamer, 2x Shuriken Cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Wave Serpent [9 PL, 139pts]: Twin Shuriken Cannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult

++ Total: [63 PL, 1,000pts] ++

Everything is going to depend on the group of people you're playing with, what kind of lists they're playing and, if there's a mismatch in power between theirs and yours, whether or not they can consciously scale up or down for the fun of the game.

Test your original plan out before abandoning it. Can your group accommodate you with some models to test or proxy your lists with? You could begin buying a box of something you actually want, like wraithguard, while using standins for the rest to see how things actually play out before you commit all the money.

Yeh it really depends how competitive your group is but at 1k you can't afford to be carrying anything and unfortunately wraithlords just aren't that great. If it's just casual you should be ok though and if you're going up to 2k you might be able to fit in a few luxury units.

A few tips though, d-scythe and axe/shield wraithguard really need serpents. If you don't want the transports then cannon wraithguard might be better via deepstrike.

Definitely consider a hemlock (or 3!) They are arguably the best wraith unit ATM.

Definitely spiritseers over warlocks as well.

Also wraithseer, not perfect but definitely worth considering and looks super cool.

Good luck!

Thanks for the help guys. I bought a wraithseer long ago because I thought the model was cool and picked up an apocalypse vanguard box pretty cheap, so I'm all in on Wraiths right now.

I don't know the community as yet, I moved to a new city recently.

Thanks again for the advice.

Well, if you want to be competitive at the 1000 pt level, obey the Lanchester square law:
If you double your tanks, the enemy has to 4-fold his anti-tank.
It has a larger impact at the small pt level.