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2019/12/27 17:40:10
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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The September 2019 White Dwark is where we learned about Lazarus becoming the first of the Inner Circle to become Primaris. On page 31, I think we see clues to the new rules Dark Angels are going to get in Ritual of the Damned...we’re getting Devastator Centurions working in combination with Hellblasters!!!
And Incursor Squads helping the Deathwing!,,
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2019/12/27 23:59:26
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Wait a sec, when did Dark angels get centurions?
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Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon. |
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2019/12/28 00:28:00
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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As of this entry, apparently.
Looking forward to some of the people from the "Are the DA unique?" thread seeing this, claiming that Centurions shouldn't belong to the Dark Angels.
I, for one, am glad that Dark Angels players don't have to worry about that particular restriction and can now have as many stompy boys as they like.
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2019/12/28 00:52:24
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Looks like Infiltrators and Incursors will be built into stratagems to help Ravenwing and Deathwing as well
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2019/12/28 01:14:53
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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 Sgt_Smudge wrote: As of this entry, apparently.
Looking forward to some of the people from the "Are the DA unique?" thread seeing this, claiming that Centurions shouldn't belong to the Dark Angels.
I, for one, am glad that Dark Angels players don't have to worry about that particular restriction and can now have as many stompy boys as they like.
Well BA just got Grav in 8th or the end of 7th right? I never really understood why they didn't have access to it. I get why everyone doesn't have access to say death company but centurions and grav seemed like an odd choice.
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2019/12/28 01:23:52
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Sgt_Smudge wrote: As of this entry, apparently.
Looking forward to some of the people from the "Are the DA unique?" thread seeing this, claiming that Centurions shouldn't belong to the Dark Angels.
I, for one, am glad that Dark Angels players don't have to worry about that particular restriction and can now have as many stompy boys as they like.
Lol. I don't think that we said they shouldn't get Centurions - some merely offered possible reasons why GW had not included them with the DA list. We also didn't used to get Stormravens and Hunters but got them with the last Codex. Things evolve.
The article from back in Sep/Oct may or may not have been a teaser for what is coming in the PA that will affect DA in addition to things like Doctrines and Stratagems in line with the new SM codex. We had a good chat about it on the DA thread. There may be new types of units for the Deathwing in Gravis armour...or not! We'll find out soon enough. The article did mention Lazarus and here he is. So at least one thing was right so far.
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2019/12/28 02:12:47
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Ute nation
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Sgt_Smudge wrote: As of this entry, apparently.
Looking forward to some of the people from the "Are the DA unique?" thread seeing this, claiming that Centurions shouldn't belong to the Dark Angels.
I, for one, am glad that Dark Angels players don't have to worry about that particular restriction and can now have as many stompy boys as they like.
As one of the people who thought centurions were kind of cool looking, I'd welcome the additional options. To possibly curb enthusiasm, if out of the five or six pages we get in RotD they waste a page or two reprinting the data sheets for centurions, I'm going to be pissed. Cents are decent with the codex stratagems, but we don't have the strats or chapter tactics to support them. I'd much prefer if they doubled down on the ravenwing and deathwing than giving us some filler like cent data sheets.
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2019/12/28 03:17:10
Subject: Re:Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Fluff ain't rules. I don't see them adding Centurions in the new book, only the datasheets for the Vanguard marines (same as Blood Angels).
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2019/12/28 05:21:05
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sgt_Smudge wrote: As of this entry, apparently.
Looking forward to some of the people from the "Are the DA unique?" thread seeing this, claiming that Centurions shouldn't belong to the Dark Angels.
I, for one, am glad that Dark Angels players don't have to worry about that particular restriction and can now have as many stompy boys as they like.
It's a bit weird, though, cos it feels like if anyone should get extra centurions, it should be the bloody Imperial Fists, you know? :-P
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2019/12/28 05:52:06
Subject: Re:Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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 bullyboy wrote:Fluff ain't rules. I don't see them adding Centurions in the new book, only the datasheets for the Vanguard marines (same as Blood Angels).
Yeah - I'm not running out and buying anything based on the WD article!
We'll know soon enough.
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2019/12/28 16:09:55
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Dark Angels should not get Centurions or Doctrines if people insist they stay as a separate codex.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
 jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
 vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
 MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
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2019/12/28 16:23:41
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Dark Angels should not get Centurions or Doctrines if people insist they stay as a separate codex.
Hilarious.
Doctrines are basically a given, just a question of what super doctrine the army gets.
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2019/12/28 18:31:18
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Dark Angels should not get Centurions or Doctrines if people insist they stay as a separate codex.
Pointless antagonistic comment designed to rile people based on another thread. Very odd thing to do.
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2019/12/28 18:40:35
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Since when was DA a "strict adherents to the Codex"?
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2019/12/28 18:56:43
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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They always have been. Not really a new fluff thing. Latest Codex certainly references they’re largely Codex-compliant.
Apart from their Veterans all having TDA (a luxury, not a deviation), calling their bosses ‘Master’ (still not a deviation), having an entire company that Gotta Go Fast (yeah ok that’s a bit out there...) and constantly zooming off to pursue their old mates who now aren’t their mates...
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2019/12/28 19:05:59
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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The 1st Company being [almost] exclusively equipped with Terminator armour isn't even all that unusual, given the numbers we have for Chapter like the Blood Angels (~80) and Ultramarines (74).
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2019/12/28 19:17:09
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Dark Angels should not get Centurions or Doctrines if people insist they stay as a separate codex.
Dumb comment. Zero basis for such a statement.
They're getting doctrines, may as well accept it. And littanies. Don't care about Cents and can gladly do without them.
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2019/12/28 20:27:56
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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skchsan wrote:Since when was DA a "strict adherents to the Codex"?
In the second picture of the OP, under the "Organisation" subtitle, where I believe they literally do use the word "strict".
Honestly, aside from two Companies, they're not exactly too divergent. The Salamanders don't even have 10 Companies, but they're lumped in with other Codex Marines. If there's two Chapters that arguably should have entirely unique rules, that should be the Space Wolves and Black Templars.
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2019/12/29 11:31:28
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Having that many Terminator suits *is* a luxury that other Chapters don’t have. That their successors mirror this just show how many they stashed away back in the Legion days!
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2019/12/29 17:16:36
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Dark Angels should not get Centurions or Doctrines if people insist they stay as a separate codex.
Sorry. You are about 30 years too late for that complain Automatically Appended Next Post:
Apart from 2nd company(ravenwing) they have been very complient. Also blood angels traditionally are close adherents.
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2019/12/29 19:45:33
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
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 fraser1191 wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote: As of this entry, apparently.
Looking forward to some of the people from the "Are the DA unique?" thread seeing this, claiming that Centurions shouldn't belong to the Dark Angels.
I, for one, am glad that Dark Angels players don't have to worry about that particular restriction and can now have as many stompy boys as they like.
Well BA just got Grav in 8th or the end of 7th right? I never really understood why they didn't have access to it. I get why everyone doesn't have access to say death company but centurions and grav seemed like an odd choice.
Probably wasn't much of a conscious one choice, having different books means they get spread over different editions and design paradigms, and what makes it into one might not make it into another just because the people writing them aren't necessarily talking or someone decides to change philosophies mid-edition and stuff gets missed and the next guy copy/pastas the stuff without thinking about it. More than once GW has gone back and said "yeah they all have access to X now" or included them on a subsequent update. It's a continual problem with marines and design artefacts or gaps all too often get mistaken for intentional uniqueness 
Same way Stormravens were unique to BA and GK's in 5E, then everyone could take them after that.
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2019/12/29 19:54:49
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Fixture of Dakka
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Last I checked Wolves can't take Stormravens. All we get is containers with engines.
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2019/12/29 20:58:12
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Sweet, just what Deathwing players wanted - guys not in terminator armor to add to their army.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2019/12/29 21:54:14
Subject: Re:Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Yeah, I expect that there will be a strategem that allows Aggressors and Repulsors to have Deathwing keyword (expansion on current Inner Circle strat)
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2019/12/29 21:55:11
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Edit, double post
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2019/12/30 02:35:51
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
Hanoi, Vietnam.
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As a Dark Angels player who previously argued against lumping us in with the other Codex chapters, I just want to say that I've changed my position. My main concern before was that we would be relegated to a mini chapter, getting paid mere lip service the way other chapters were treated in previous incarnations of Codex: Ultramarines and Pals, but what I've seen of the latest codex and supplements has completely turned me around. To see a chapter like the Iron Hands suddenly become top tier is incredible to me, and though the narrative player in me doesn't give a fig for doctrines, super doctrines, Primaris marines or centurions, it's nice to see Games Workshop give a solid attempt at making all of the chapters worthy of the table, and I'm happy to have my chapter get rolled into that.
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2019/12/30 04:10:52
Subject: Clues to new Dark Angels rules in September 2019 White Dwarf
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 Ginjitzu wrote:As a Dark Angels player who previously argued against lumping us in with the other Codex chapters, I just want to say that I've changed my position. My main concern before was that we would be relegated to a mini chapter, getting paid mere lip service the way other chapters were treated in previous incarnations of Codex: Ultramarines and Pals, but what I've seen of the latest codex and supplements has completely turned me around. To see a chapter like the Iron Hands suddenly become top tier is incredible to me, and though the narrative player in me doesn't give a fig for doctrines, super doctrines, Primaris marines or centurions, it's nice to see Games Workshop give a solid attempt at making all of the chapters worthy of the table, and I'm happy to have my chapter get rolled into that.
That's the only way I'd accept being rolled into a SM codex (plus not using any unique units DA currently have). If it went back to Codex UM and everyone else gets peanuts, no way at all.
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