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2019/12/28 23:41:42
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Norn Queen
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GW has stealth edited the Rulebook FAQ and removed the Index Flowchart rules.
Thoughts? I for one am glad to see the back of it.
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2019/12/29 00:07:18
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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I miss the days when the rules for army X was in army X's codex.
As opposed to "Okay, so the rules for your army are in in the codex except for this arbitrary pile of rules which is in the index and the rules for using those rules are in the Designer's Commentary and so intuitive that they require a flowchart. Now there are also these extra rules that we're releasing in Chapter Approved and also these other extra rules that we're releasing in these Marine Supplements campaign books. Oh, and did we mention that the rules that aren't in your codex are now in this other book called Legends, and they're legal in Matched Play but completely unsuited for it and thus we highly recommend that no one use them ever."
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 blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
 insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2019/12/29 00:08:03
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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No one cares...
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2019/12/29 00:10:35
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Until they say its gone then its still in use, so i don't care.
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2019/12/29 00:16:19
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Norn Queen
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Erm... they have said it's gone?
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2019/12/29 00:17:13
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Show me where they said "No longer use the flow chart" Automatically Appended Next Post: To add: b.c of right now i can still search for it on their website
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf
Might be an older faq, but its still technically on their site.
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2019/12/29 00:33:21
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Lieutenant General
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/ Please can you point out where the Index Wargear flowchart can be found with the current GW FAQs. The document you linked to may be on GW's servers, but it's definitely not on their website with the CURRENT FAQs.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2019/12/29 00:41:28
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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I thought it was pretty obvious that indexes are gone, long live legends
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2019/12/29 06:32:11
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Fixture of Dakka
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If the Index options are indeed gone then I am going to miss the ability to arm my Custodes with a sword (minus the shield).
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2019/12/29 18:11:40
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I have an Ork Warboss in Mega Armour and an Ork Big Mek with Kustom Forcefield: I'm still going to use my Index options 
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2019/12/29 18:22:41
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Confessor Of Sins
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Don't you mean your Legends Ork Warboss in Mega Armour ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/7661dd41.pdf)?
Big Mek with Kustom Force Field is a normal unit per the Munitorum Field Manual. Your guess as to where the official rules are.
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2019/12/29 19:04:59
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Nasty Nob
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 Eligius wrote:I have an Ork Warboss in Mega Armour and an Ork Big Mek with Kustom Forcefield: I'm still going to use my Index options
Same here, until both of those units are in a physical book, preferably a codex.
I won't be using Legends myself but any one who want's to is free to do so. The lack of a KFF on the big Mek in that document is plenty of reason to ignore it for a book I already have which is still edition compatible.
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The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.
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2019/12/29 23:46:42
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'd just like to know if I can arm my Nobs w/ Kustom Shootas. I think it's fun in the odd list.
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2019/12/30 00:17:32
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Norn Queen
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tulun wrote:I'd just like to know if I can arm my Nobs w/ Kustom Shootas. I think it's fun in the odd list.
You cannot any more.
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2019/12/30 04:23:05
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Nobs without custom shootas?
Big meks without KFF?
GW has lost their minds...
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2019/12/30 04:44:19
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 jeff white wrote:Nobs without custom shootas?
Big meks without KFF?
GW has lost their minds...
GW making crappy decisions? Say it ain't so! I'm utterly shocked!
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
 jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
 vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
 MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
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2019/12/30 07:30:45
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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I dont mind that GW removed the flowchart, but i do mind that its a stealth update.
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2019/12/30 13:12:10
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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jeff white wrote:Nobs without custom shootas?
Big meks without KFF?
GW has lost their minds...
Well, unless he's wearing mega-armor. Then he can have a KFF.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2019/12/30 13:25:16
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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BrianDavion wrote:I thought it was pretty obvious that indexes are gone, long live legends
Yep.
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2019/12/30 13:27:45
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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I thought it was stupid in the first place and just opened the floodgates to abuse. They should have taken the heat and said sorry, we understand you want to use models that you bought 20 years ago, but the game has to evolve. If you really want it, use it to proxy an existing model in your codex with your opponent's permission.
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2019/12/30 13:34:55
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Dakka Veteran
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as expected when they announced legends
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2019/12/30 13:45:18
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Wayniac wrote:I thought it was stupid in the first place and just opened the floodgates to abuse. They should have taken the heat and said sorry, we understand you want to use models that you bought 20 years ago, but the game has to evolve. If you really want it, use it to proxy an existing model in your codex with your opponent's permission.
Well, luckily they didn't do that and provided Legends rules instead so you can still use most of your old models. There unfortunately are some omissions though.
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2019/12/30 13:46:13
Subject: Re:Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
London UK
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 p5freak wrote:I dont mind that GW removed the flowchart, but i do mind that its a stealth update.
EXACTLY!
They've started a precedent for being clearer and more transparent with the rules. Stealth moves are just bad old GW up to its standard tricks.
I personally welcome the legneds concept. New players I know had no way to get these models and started resorting to third party or expensive conversions. Having a clear and current ruleset is a must they just can't handle the clear part.
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2019/12/30 15:10:21
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As an Ork player, kitbashing is not only encouraged but fun -- I'm not a great hobbyist (or interested in that side of it too much), but it was always fun to throw some stuff together for a conversion and it almost always was passable, because Orks are so hodge podge.
So losing a bunch of upgrades or models due to "not having the models" was really annoying. I can make my own Kustom Shootas on my Nobs, thanks.
I know this was a bit harder for other armies, though.
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2019/12/30 16:27:39
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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tulun wrote:As an Ork player, kitbashing is not only encouraged but fun -- I'm not a great hobbyist (or interested in that side of it too much), but it was always fun to throw some stuff together for a conversion and it almost always was passable, because Orks are so hodge podge.
So losing a bunch of upgrades or models due to "not having the models" was really annoying. I can make my own Kustom Shootas on my Nobs, thanks.
I know this was a bit harder for other armies, though.
Good thing you can just talk with your opponent (quite easily if they are a good friend) and ignore it.
Just like you can ignore the edicts of a man who doesn't even play the game. 
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2019/12/30 16:58:54
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Grimtuff wrote:
Good thing you can just talk with your opponent (quite easily if they are a good friend) and ignore it.
Just like you can ignore the edicts of a man who doesn't even play the game.
Yeah I'll probably end up doing that anyway, it's not like its particularly OP.
I do hope GW gets its thumb out of its ass and eases up on this stuff, though. I get putting old models they haven't made in decades (or ever in some cases) away, but upgrades for an existing model just seems full on dumb *and* loses them money. If I have to buy extra kits to kit bash, it's a win win.
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2019/12/30 17:14:49
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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The only Index options I used (Autarch wargear and Dread autocannons) made it to Legends just fine, so I'm good.
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2019/12/30 18:15:17
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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 Galef wrote:The only Index options I used (Autarch wargear and Dread autocannons) made it to Legends just fine, so I'm good.
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For tournaments my DA Librarians on bikes are now legends and unusable in tournaments but I can still use them in casual with most people at the flgs I play at. Once codecs came out without some units I pretty much assumed they were on deaths door and stopped converting units to index only options, I was expecting them to just kill index only units off completely rather than move some to legendary status.
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Blood for the bloo... wait no, I meant for Sanguinius!  |
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2019/12/30 18:30:54
Subject: Index Flowchart has been removed.
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Norn Queen
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As for biker index units, just wait for the primaris bikes to show up. Then you will get a dozen biker lieutenants and all the other variations.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2019/12/30 18:37:53
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
Sioux Falls, SD
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 Lance845 wrote:As for biker index units, just wait for the primaris bikes to show up. Then you will get a dozen biker lieutenants and all the other variations.
That new primaris land speeder looks interesting, reminds me a bit of a covenant revenant from halo reach.
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Blood for the bloo... wait no, I meant for Sanguinius! |
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