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Someone may have just won the internets!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/droptop/droptop-by-drtabletop?ref=android_project_share

Seriously tempted by this one.

Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

OK. Or, you know, just order dropper bottles for a fraction of the price and decant into those, which are much easier to use, and you can even reuse the citadel paint labels.

Solution in search of a problem IMO.

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 Flinty wrote:
Someone may have just won the internets!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/droptop/droptop-by-drtabletop?ref=android_project_share

Seriously tempted by this one.


But...Citadel pots are too thick to squeeze...how do you get the paint out?

This is gonna blow up just from that image, but the fantasy is not...gonna line up with expectation here...
   
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 Yodhrin wrote:
OK. Or, you know, just order dropper bottles for a fraction of the price and decant into those, which are much easier to use, and you can even reuse the citadel paint labels.

Solution in search of a problem IMO.


I mean like, I guess this is for people that don't want to deal with a funnel and pouring a bottle into a different bottle? That was my first thought.


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the_scotsman wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
Someone may have just won the internets!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/droptop/droptop-by-drtabletop?ref=android_project_share

Seriously tempted by this one.


But...Citadel pots are too thick to squeeze...how do you get the paint out?

This is gonna blow up just from that image, but the fantasy is not...gonna line up with expectation here...



This is the real concern. How do you squeeze a citadel pot?

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 Yodhrin wrote:

Solution in search of a problem IMO.


A bit overly harsh given that the design of GW's paint bottles are indeed problematic. It is a solution to an actual problem, but it's likely not the best solution.

GW pots aren't made to be squeezed, and I assume that's why the top is nearly the size of the pot. Also mildly concerning that the tip doesn't appear to be threaded, so the quality of seal is something of an unknown there. I'm also not sure about the larger pots having that much more height added to them when they're demonstrating knocking over a paint pot as an issue.

At $2 each though, they're really trying to sell people on saving time by not going through the decanting process. I'm not sure it's worth more than several times the cost of getting an empty dropper bottle though as even if I view my time as extremely valuable; suitable bottles appear to be available for less than dollar and often less than a quarter. Still, for someone who has very little time and more cash they want to spend on their already-expensive paint pot it still appears to have a niche; I'm just not part of it.

Guess we'll see if enough people value less work higher than more money.
   
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I'd also worry about the consistency on many of the GW paints perhaps being a bit thick for dropper nozzels unless they're annoyingly wide

 
   
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I can only see it working if they also sell a rack and you store all the pots upside down on the rack so that the paint gathers at the bottom near the dropper. That way you can squeeze the bottom and paint should come out, provided that the nozzle is clear.

That said I do agree the big weakness is that you can't put any pressure on the actual main body of the bottle itself. Which means once you get to a certain point you'll be taking that dropper top off all the time to get at the paint inside.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

balmong7 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
OK. Or, you know, just order dropper bottles for a fraction of the price and decant into those, which are much easier to use, and you can even reuse the citadel paint labels.

Solution in search of a problem IMO.


I mean like, I guess this is for people that don't want to deal with a funnel and pouring a bottle into a different bottle? That was my first thought.


Meh, no need to use a funnel. I used a syringe with a wide-gauge blunt needle - scoosh in a bit of water if it's a thick one, fill the syringe then into the bottle, repeat a second time, last wee scoosh of water to get the last remnants, done. Takes about 20 seconds per pot once you get a rhythm going.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
OK. Or, you know, just order dropper bottles for a fraction of the price and decant into those, which are much easier to use, and you can even reuse the citadel paint labels.

Solution in search of a problem IMO.


I mean like, I guess this is for people that don't want to deal with a funnel and pouring a bottle into a different bottle? That was my first thought.


Meh, no need to use a funnel. I used a syringe with a wide-gauge blunt needle - scoosh in a bit of water if it's a thick one, fill the syringe then into the bottle, repeat a second time, last wee scoosh of water to get the last remnants, done. Takes about 20 seconds per pot once you get a rhythm going.


I'd be tempted to pay you £1 a bottle of you did it all for me, I really CBA to do it but I'd happily pay £1 more a bottle to have them in droppers delivered
   
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So. you upend the bottle and then squeeze the dropper attachment.

Theres a few problems with that method but if someone is that attached to their citadel pots it may be worth a punt.
   
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If you need something to transfer your citadel paint to dropper bottles:

https://www.baphominiatures.com/paintwidget-1

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I designed something similar a couple years ago but as others alluded to I found that it didn't really solve any more problems than it created and abandoned the project because it didn't really feel like it was worth doing. Maybe this guy figured something better out, best of luck to him.

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Ever since the first time I knocked over a full bottle of Badab Black at work, I have moved all my GWS paint right over to bottles as soon as I buy it. I don't need a funnel or anything like that, I just stir up the paint well, carefully pour it, and then use a clean popsicle stick to scrape the walls and floor, easy peasy.

I buy my bottles in bulk from US Plastics* - you want 15mm boston rounds in natural. They come with a dropper tip that you slip into place after you fill the bottles, and a twist cap when not in use, and they cost 38 cents each at the 0-200 level.. Peel the sticker off the old put and put it right on the new bottle. As an added bonus your paint seems to stay good for much, much longer - I have a few colors of paint from 2009 that paint as well as the day I bought them.

Or, you know, you can pay $2 each for these. Seems like a good deal to me!


*You can find bottles like this even cheaper on Aliexpress or whatever, but don't do it. I got some dropper bottles that were like 10 cents each from there and a large percentage were pure unusable garbage - badly molded, terrible tolerances, loose caps. I don't think you can get good bottles cheaper than about 40 cents each, but that's pretty damn cheap anyway.

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Honestly, if you want dropper bottles, I don't understand why you wouldn't just buy any of the other brands of paint out there that are just as good as Citadel while being cheaper and already in dropper bottles.

It's a clever solution, but seems crazy to add even more cost to an already expensive paint line.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
Honestly, if you want dropper bottles, I don't understand why you wouldn't just buy any of the other brands of paint out there that are just as good as Citadel while being cheaper and already in dropper bottles.

It's a clever solution, but seems crazy to add even more cost to an already expensive paint line.


I would personally recommend INSTAR if this is appropriate...

   
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The project is also First Created. Maybe the KS will serve as a proof of concept for a company that can make the droppers at a lower price. I use both pots and eye droppers, and I'd be interested in a pot lid that doesn't dry out.

Search on "decant GW eye dropper" for all sorts of tutorials. Rather than use a funnel (ugh, cleaning funnels), use a piece of wax paper taped to form a funnel.


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Good luck getting rid of the existing top and attaching a new one in a way that forms a seal.

Ideally without getting paint everywhere. Those things aren't really designed as easily removable, and the orginal bottle to top seal isn't that great to begin with.

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 insaniak wrote:
Honestly, if you want dropper bottles, I don't understand why you wouldn't just buy any of the other brands of paint out there that are just as good as Citadel while being cheaper and already in dropper bottles.

It's a clever solution, but seems crazy to add even more cost to an already expensive paint line.


Well for starters gw paints actually are pretty darn good. Sure not all but some beats other. Best paints rarely are to be had using just one brand.

Then if you use painting tutorials or have old colour scheme finding equilavent can be tricky. Been trying to find army painter equilavent to ulthuan grey. No luck so far. None is 100% match. Good if 70...

Third availability. Paints run out. I for one don't want to wait 2 weeks to get paint replacemend and buy 60e worth or pay shipment. Local flgs has gw and army painter. Rest is order by mail aka delays and shipping costs. Convenience is worth the price. And ap runs into shade issues. Again. What's the ulthuan grey match? And this is just one colour. Finding identical shade for all gw colours i use? Expensive, hard, is it even possible or are some shades ones ap paints can't match? Ulthuan grey sure is elusive...

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tneva82 wrote:
Then if you use painting tutorials or have old colour scheme finding equilavent can be tricky.

Also a problem if you are using Citadel. GW repeatedly dropping or changing colours that I was using was actually one of the main things that eventually convinced me to change to other ranges...


Having to mail order paint can be frustrating, for sure - their shipping costs making them considerably more expensive than any of the other paints I use is the reason I haven't tried Instar, for example. It's worth looking around, though. My usual online supplier though has free shipping over a purchase threshold (I just save up an order until I need a few things at once, and stock up on the main colours I need) and will usually have my order delivered within a day or two.

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 Krinsath wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:

Solution in search of a problem IMO.


A bit overly harsh given that the design of GW's paint bottles are indeed problematic. It is a solution to an actual problem, but it's likely not the best solution.

GW pots aren't made to be squeezed, and I assume that's why the top is nearly the size of the pot. Also mildly concerning that the tip doesn't appear to be threaded, so the quality of seal is something of an unknown there. I'm also not sure about the larger pots having that much more height added to them when they're demonstrating knocking over a paint pot as an issue.

At $2 each though, they're really trying to sell people on saving time by not going through the decanting process. I'm not sure it's worth more than several times the cost of getting an empty dropper bottle though as even if I view my time as extremely valuable; suitable bottles appear to be available for less than dollar and often less than a quarter. Still, for someone who has very little time and more cash they want to spend on their already-expensive paint pot it still appears to have a niche; I'm just not part of it.

Guess we'll see if enough people value less work higher than more money.


of course enough people will buy it as they don't know about other solutions but it will only help as long as GW keeps those pots.
so using dropper bottles is not only cheaper but also more secure in the long run

tneva82 wrote:

Third availability. Paints run out. I for one don't want to wait 2 weeks to get paint replacemend and buy 60e worth or pay shipment. Local flgs has gw and army painter. Rest is order by mail aka delays and shipping costs. Convenience is worth the price. And ap runs into shade issues. Again. What's the ulthuan grey match? And this is just one colour. Finding identical shade for all gw colours i use? Expensive, hard, is it even possible or are some shades ones ap paints can't match? Ulthuan grey sure is elusive...


wish you good luck to find something before the next GW colour change will come

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I still have the new design pots from around 2015? which haven't dried out.
Thing is, you never - ever - EVER open the pot full and leave it like that. You just pry it a bit, scoop and close it asap. Easy.

   
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The only colors that really dri out are the (you could guess it) they dry paint range. Though, that is easily solved, you just keep a piece of wet tissue inside each pot.
   
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 CragHack wrote:
I still have the new design pots from around 2015? which haven't dried out.
Thing is, you never - ever - EVER open the pot full and leave it like that. You just pry it a bit, scoop and close it asap. Easy.


I have had some pots that dried but that's literally years after standing unused with maybe 1/5 paint left. And even not all of those.

Biggest issue with GW bottles I have is making less easy to get right amount to wet palette or for mixing own colours.

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For me the dropper advantage is, in descending order of my personal needs: 1.) doesn't dump if you knock it over, 2.) making really precise, repeatable mixes is easy, and 3.) you waste less paint since you're usually going one drop at a time.

So far as switching to an already-in-a-dropper brand like Vallejo, I assure you I have tried. I have found that like every brand, a lot of Vallejo colors just aren't as good as GWS. I have zero brand loyalty but their paint really is excellent by and large, just as Army Painter's washes are excellent by and large, Badger's ghost tints are awesome for airbrushing shade, and so on. You can make anything work obviously, but I have found GWS consistently has good coverage and strong colors for brush work. I do use quite a few vallejo colors and only use their airbrush primers, but I probably have 6 different brands of paint in my go-to collection.

Color consistency is also important, although as noted GWS themselves have screwed that pooch pretty consistently for no discernable reason. I took 8 years to finish my Space Hulk genestealers on and off, and am grateful I still had the original paints since I think they changed formulations at least 2 or maybe 3 times in that timeframe.

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+1 for just using a different paint range, although there is something oddly satisfying about picking dried paint out of the rim of GW's current pots.
   
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amazed GW don't have a "professional" range, even if direct order only in droppers, odd sizes etc just to be different.

to be honest the paints are generally pretty good (whites excluded) and I would be happy to buy them if they were in dropper bottles - heck GW try to tell you to use a palette so why they don't is beyond me.

paint is basically a consumable to me, less bothered on price (as long as its not silly) that easy to use, have GW from the Conquest! magazine, some are very good (gold, silver the blues are nice too), others less so or just nothing special, but in droppers I would buy more
   
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From the kickstarter appears you actully are bassicily milking a rubber nipple, not exactly a traditional dropper bottle. They also show it working with citadel airpaints and blood for the blood god. If this works for the thicker paints you cant normally put in a dropper bottle then it has my interest.

Edit: they show the rubber nipple working with GW texture paint

I am impressed to be honest. I would still use decanting for my normal citadel paints. But I'm deffiently interested if they can demonstrate this working with the texture and technical paints more. Because I still have a hard time believing it is that easy. I also have concern about how air tight these things are since they dont have covers.

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I wonder about how well it could possibly work with the textured paints - those, I do not transfer to dropper bottes along with LGS and drybrushes (obviously).
   
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I should have remembered this earlier, but INSTAR paints has a Citadel color-matching for both current and OOP paint lines. The paints come in a dropper.

Paint matches: https://shop.instarpaint.com/colour-conversion/
OOP paint matches: https://shop.instarpaint.com/vintage-conversion/
Instar Dakka thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/750573.page
Instar paint reviews: https://www.google.com/search?q=instar+paint+review&oq=instar+paint+review&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4j69i60j69i61j69i60.4057j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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