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I wonder has anything official been said about GW (as opposed to FW) supporting Horus Heresy? It's been a few years since we got plastic Mk3 and 4 marines and HH Terminators and since then nothing.

I wonder if the Primaris project just sucked all the air from doing 'historic' Marines. The split between 8th edition 40k and 7th ed HH probably hurt too.

HH was always a specialist/FW range. Them making a few kits/box sets in plastic was nothing to do with GW/40k main making Heresy and more 'we can afford to do it, lets do it'.

There has been discussions for the last few years about more Heresy-era plastics, it's still ongoing. Last the FW team said was they'd love to do some more, just like they want to do a starter/intro box as a gateway to bring people into the Heresy. I't currently a 'would be nice to have' in development terms. Remember that just because it's FW/Specialist Games doesn't mean it wont be in plastic (look at all the plastic bloodbowl, Necromunda or AT).

I don't think you'll see them soon. To be honest, I'm skeptical about GW's Forge World 'enthusiasm' for Horus Heresy. I don't think the future is as bright as they claim. I mean, they still had some models that need to be sold so there's no way they'd say "yeah we're on life support at this point".

Of course, months (or what sometimes seems like a year) will go by without something regarding Horus Heresy, and Forge World just seems to spite me by... releasing like 2 models, which the remnants of the 30k fanbase like to hoist as undeniable proof that HH is super successful and thriving and will never go away. I mean, it's sad- like a kid watching his dead puppy twitch and saying, "look, it moved! He's alive!"

And I'm not slamming 30k players. I loved my 30k army. I still use parts of it for 40k. But I don't have any hopes at all for the game to expand.

GW's biggest fool idea was refusing to stock HH stuff in stores. People don't go into the FLGS or local GW and see cool battles between the Legions, they go in and see... 40k or AoS. So that's what people buy. Plenty of people are barely familiar with anything Forge World produces, some even seem to speak of it like it's an urban legend- Sasquatch plays Sons of Horus and has a full DKoK army.

So, I honestly would like to see HH go to plastic. Or at least, more of it become plastic. Otherwise, I hope the last 12 people in the Western Hemisphere that play HH enjoy the hell out of it.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I don't think you'll see them soon. To be honest, I'm skeptical about GW's Forge World 'enthusiasm' for Horus Heresy. I don't think the future is as bright as they claim. I mean, they still had some models that need to be sold so there's no way they'd say "yeah we're on life support at this point".

Of course, months (or what sometimes seems like a year) will go by without something regarding Horus Heresy, and Forge World just seems to spite me by... releasing like 2 models, which the remnants of the 30k fanbase like to hoist as undeniable proof that HH is super successful and thriving and will never go away. I mean, it's sad- like a kid watching his dead puppy twitch and saying, "look, it moved! He's alive!"

And I'm not slamming 30k players. I loved my 30k army. I still use parts of it for 40k. But I don't have any hopes at all for the game to expand.

GW's biggest fool idea was refusing to stock HH stuff in stores. People don't go into the FLGS or local GW and see cool battles between the Legions, they go in and see... 40k or AoS. So that's what people buy. Plenty of people are barely familiar with anything Forge World produces, some even seem to speak of it like it's an urban legend- Sasquatch plays Sons of Horus and has a full DKoK army.

So, I honestly would like to see HH go to plastic. Or at least, more of it become plastic. Otherwise, I hope the last 12 people in the Western Hemisphere that play HH enjoy the hell out of it.

Your mileage may vary, but over here in the UK Heresy isn't as dead as you claim. But thanks, guess this is now going to be a 'Heresy is dead' thread.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I don't think you'll see them soon. To be honest, I'm skeptical about GW's Forge World 'enthusiasm' for Horus Heresy. I don't think the future is as bright as they claim. I mean, they still had some models that need to be sold so there's no way they'd say "yeah we're on life support at this point".

Of course, months (or what sometimes seems like a year) will go by without something regarding Horus Heresy, and Forge World just seems to spite me by... releasing like 2 models, which the remnants of the 30k fanbase like to hoist as undeniable proof that HH is super successful and thriving and will never go away. I mean, it's sad- like a kid watching his dead puppy twitch and saying, "look, it moved! He's alive!"

And I'm not slamming 30k players. I loved my 30k army. I still use parts of it for 40k. But I don't have any hopes at all for the game to expand.

GW's biggest fool idea was refusing to stock HH stuff in stores. People don't go into the FLGS or local GW and see cool battles between the Legions, they go in and see... 40k or AoS. So that's what people buy. Plenty of people are barely familiar with anything Forge World produces, some even seem to speak of it like it's an urban legend- Sasquatch plays Sons of Horus and has a full DKoK army.

So, I honestly would like to see HH go to plastic. Or at least, more of it become plastic. Otherwise, I hope the last 12 people in the Western Hemisphere that play HH enjoy the hell out of it.

Your mileage may vary, but over here in the UK Heresy isn't as dead as you claim. But thanks, guess this is now going to be a 'Heresy is dead' thread.

In my area HH is literally one of the most played games, followed by AoS then 40k.
If anything it’s picked up a lot more recently where I live.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

Your mileage may vary, but over here in the UK Heresy isn't as dead as you claim. But thanks, guess this is now going to be a 'Heresy is dead' thread.

It's dying. A few of your friends playing it still at the club doesn't mean the game is enduring anywhere but among a few loyal followers at the places you play. But that's good, I am not being a jerk here. By all means, keep it alive. People did this with Necromunda and it's back. Maybe Mordheim will be next. And then we can all get together and talk about how much better old Horus Heresy was and be the 3 Grognards using outdated models and antiquated rules out of spite.

And if I'm not mistaken, in the UK you can walk into a shop and purchase it. In the US, we'd love that. But the only place where you can do that (I think) is the Citadel in Texas. And that's not a short train ride unless you live... in Central Texas, I guess.

And considering that the FLGS is where most people in the US and a few other countries tend to play... well, that leaves you at the mercy of the FLGS tolerating Forge World. And a lot of FLGS owners don't like you playing what they can't sell. I don't agree with it (I do think you should spend some damned money at the FLGS), but it's the way it is and the tables in the FLGS aren't a recreation center- they're an advertisement and a sales tool.

"Popular here where I live" doesn't mean anything, and I'm sorry to say that. Since that game has released I've traveled to 3 different countries in Europe, lived in 4 major population areas of the US and traveled a lot here- I can count on one hand how many times I've seen the game played walking into a gaming shop or club, and any other time I've had to actively seek out and drive significant distances to find one or two people to play the game.

It's a good game. It's a fun game. I really like it. I went all in on the game, and the one positive thing I can say is that I had plenty of time to paint and didn't have to put down unpainted models... because that's how rare it was.

I won't say the US sales will make it or break it, but I will say it damned sure wouldn't hurt the game were accessible. And this talk at Forge World about making it more accessible to new players? It's about 9 years too late.

Weren't there somewhat recent rumours that GW is going to concentrate more on HH in 2020? If those rumours have any merit to them, I dont see the game going away anytime soon. Instead, its going to become another specialist game like Necromunda, KillTeam, AT etc. If that happens we will undoubtedly see more HH plastics in the future.

What I'd personally love to see is a HH-era land raider raider kit and modding sprues for it. So many awesome looking land raider variants in the forgeworld catalog I'd love to build, but aint no way Im going to be messing with big resin kits. Too much hassle working big resin..

tauist wrote:
Weren't there somewhat recent rumours that GW is going to concentrate more on HH in 2020?

Sarcasm: "Concentrating more on HH in 2020" means we might get a backwards land raider and two Legion Praetors every 6 months, and they'll do a painting video or something.

Also, careful with HH rumors. The rumor that there will be a 8th edition ruleset (or rather, an altered ruleset that brings in a lot of elements from 8th but retains the better part of 7th) has been around since... about a week after 8th edition. And that's just one of the bigger ones.

I'm a skeptic. GW/FW promising 'more stuff coming' and 'plenty just around the corner' might as well be noise to me. I hate to be a pessimist about it, but it's the sad truth.

I really, really, REALLY would like to see them do a few more reprints of Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero. Those were pretty okay starting points. I mean, we can keep our fingers crossed... but the longer we have to do that is more likely people just take their money and put it into something else.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Also, careful with HH rumors. The rumor that there will be a 8th edition ruleset (or rather, an altered ruleset that brings in a lot of elements from 8th but retains the better part of 7th) has been around since... about a week after 8th edition. And that's just one of the bigger ones.

But that's the thing - Alan Bligh, the man singlehandedly responsible for the success of the Heresy, wanted to move to 8th edition and even started to write updated rules for it. He also pushed hard to make the rest of Heresy range compatible with 8th (see Cyraxus book) to increase sales and get more resources for FW. Alas, then he passed away and inept idiots who took over after him not only shelved Cyraxus (despite the book being finished and just needing layout work), they bought into circlejerk of very loud, tiny minority and kept HH in the garbage 7th edition, only to see its popularity plummet to nearly zero. The fact they started with game rivaling AoS in popularity and HH starter sets being global bestsellers for GW before running it into the ground just proves that listening to loudest screeching on forums is usually terribad idea.

Funnily enough, newest HH tank has 8th edition targeting rules baked in and the silly plastic disc is used just for show. I guess even the HH writers got bored of wasting whole hour to resolve shooting of a single mortar unit and started to adopt 8th by back door...

 Irbis wrote:
Alan Bligh, the man singlehandedly responsible for the success of the Heresy, wanted to move to 8th edition and even started to write updated rules for it.

Source?

 Irbis wrote:
He also pushed hard to make the rest of Heresy range compatible with 8th (see Cyraxus book)

Fires of Cyraxus was a 7th book, and was shelved when 8th came along - the author went on Warhammer TV stating that.

The underlining fact is we don't know anything for definite, and probably won't until things go on sale. Horus Heresy Book Nine – Crusade is still "available later in the year", which gives them 11 months.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 BroodSpawn wrote:

Your mileage may vary, but over here in the UK Heresy isn't as dead as you claim. But thanks, guess this is now going to be a 'Heresy is dead' thread.

It's dying. A few of your friends playing it still at the club doesn't mean the game is enduring anywhere but among a few loyal followers at the places you play. But that's good, I am not being a jerk here. By all means, keep it alive. People did this with Necromunda and it's back. Maybe Mordheim will be next. And then we can all get together and talk about how much better old Horus Heresy was and be the 3 Grognards using outdated models and antiquated rules out of spite.

And if I'm not mistaken, in the UK you can walk into a shop and purchase it. In the US, we'd love that. But the only place where you can do that (I think) is the Citadel in Texas. And that's not a short train ride unless you live... in Central Texas, I guess.

And considering that the FLGS is where most people in the US and a few other countries tend to play... well, that leaves you at the mercy of the FLGS tolerating Forge World. And a lot of FLGS owners don't like you playing what they can't sell. I don't agree with it (I do think you should spend some damned money at the FLGS), but it's the way it is and the tables in the FLGS aren't a recreation center- they're an advertisement and a sales tool.

"Popular here where I live" doesn't mean anything, and I'm sorry to say that. Since that game has released I've traveled to 3 different countries in Europe, lived in 4 major population areas of the US and traveled a lot here- I can count on one hand how many times I've seen the game played walking into a gaming shop or club, and any other time I've had to actively seek out and drive significant distances to find one or two people to play the game.

It's a good game. It's a fun game. I really like it. I went all in on the game, and the one positive thing I can say is that I had plenty of time to paint and didn't have to put down unpainted models... because that's how rare it was.

I won't say the US sales will make it or break it, but I will say it damned sure wouldn't hurt the game were accessible. And this talk at Forge World about making it more accessible to new players? It's about 9 years too late.

You’d be wrong to think that.
We can’t just “walk into a GW and buy it” at all.
With the exception of Nottingham, it’s order only for us too.

I see, so talking about my area is a no go, yet you have travelled the world and seen every GW and FLGS so you can confirm it’s dead?
So far a fair few people are saying it’s not dead, so you may want to check the areas again, you seemed to have missed it.

I can quite easily drive into Portsmouth, Southampton, Winchester etc and get a pickup game of 30k.
Ironically this is something you’d struggle to do with 40k.

Without sales numbers anything we say about popularity is anecdotal.

We can look at who GW and FW act though and it would seem HH is not getting support. And I doubt that's because it was making too much money...

I hope there's more but when GW has to choose between supporting 30k and 41k they'll pick 41k.

Jackal90 wrote:
You’d be wrong to think that.
We can’t just “walk into a GW and buy it” at all.
With the exception of Nottingham, it’s order only for us too.

Yeah, the idea that normal UK GWs sell 30k stuff (except the plastics) isn't accurate at all. Only WHW (not even the Nottingham GW!) sells FW models in person. However, 30k is still popular all the same (there's nearly always someone playing it at my nearest GW - which happens to be WHW - and at plenty of other ones too.)

When it comes to sales of the product it's got slightly less store presence than LoTR outside Warhammer World, mainly because it lacks a big box to sell.They can fix that b doing another Calth/Propsero, they just have to get the balance right as one of the reasons they were pulled is because the deals were so good people would buy the boxes, sell them out in parts and make more money than the cost of the boxes by doing that. It needs to be enticing but not ridiculous (Calth was the worst offender of the two in that regards, 30 marines, 2 characters, dreadnought & terminators for less than the cost of the Xmas army bundles was nuts good value).

A few things though, just to dispel myths:
Alan Bligh wanted everything moved to 8th: Partially true, I believe the FW team did state when 8th was announced (paraphrasing here) '30k would work within the most recent rules version for 40k'. However Bligh died May 2017, 8th was released June 2017, so going with '8th ed is what Alan would have wanted/demanded' is a stretch since none of us has that answer. And is a moot point now more than 2yrs later.

'Cyraxus was canned by inept idiots': Firstly Andy Hoare stated that he wrote it in his spare time, secondly it was written for 7th ed, thirdly 8th came along and he decided not to rewrite the rules bits to align with 8th as he had other things going on/too much work that he wasn't being paid to do. This was stated by Andy on a twitch stream where it was asked. Live. In person. I was watching it. So please drop the 'idiots canned Cyraxus' narrative, it's knowingly false at this point.

... they bought into circlejerk of very loud, tiny minority and kept HH in the garbage 7th edition, only to see its popularity plummet to nearly zero': Hoo boy, so here's how I remember that discussion happening at a Heresy Weekender (no I wasn't there but I know people that were and this is generally how it was reported by the various Heresy groups too) - post-8th they took a straw-poll of attendees and asked 'should we move to 8th'. They were given a resounding 'no, we like it as it is'. Now there's always some that disagree, but for the most part the Heresy community is pretty happy with the AoD rules set and prefer it over 8th edition. We can argue to high heaven about Heresy being more popular under 8th, but are people playing Heresy at that point or would it be another, alternative Marine list with no restrictions on some of the toys (there'd be no need for the Relic rule for example). vs T'au/Necrons/GSC/[insert other classic 40k faction here]. My thoughts are it would be the latter, and if they had any effects that differed from the '40k' marines people would complain. Also you'd have people trying to push Primaris into Heresy, and since that's suppose to be a more 'historical' setting... look, I'll get off that soap box as I have personal disagreements over it. Suffice to say it wouldn't likely expand Heresy, it would just make Legions a playable alternative faction to Chapters.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I wonder has anything official been said about GW (as opposed to FW) supporting Horus Heresy? It's been a few years since we got plastic Mk3 and 4 marines and HH Terminators and since then nothing.

I wonder if the Primaris project just sucked all the air from doing 'historic' Marines. The split between 8th edition 40k and 7th ed HH probably hurt too.

Given the way GW is pricing plastics these days, Horus Heresy is getting relatively cheaper every day.

Example: Tau Riptide, 130 CAD, Taghmata Thanatar, 156 CAD

Though I agree plastic is easier to deal with in terms of cleanup and assembly.

As to the split in editions, people who liked 7th and hated 8th probably buffed HH's numbers. Horus Heresy is 7th edition without the codex/supplement bloat (which is getting really bad again in 8th) and free formations with broken rules.

Jackal90 wrote:

I see, so talking about my area is a no go, yet you have travelled the world and seen every GW and FLGS so you can confirm it’s dead?
So far a fair few people are saying it’s not dead, so you may want to check the areas again, you seemed to have missed it.

I can quite easily drive into Portsmouth, Southampton, Winchester etc and get a pickup game of 30k.
Ironically this is something you’d struggle to do with 40k.

"Me mates still play it at these places" =/= "Game being supported and continued throughout the near future". You can love your toys and play with them all the time, and "a fair few people" do not a successful game make.

It's funny that you want anecdotal evidence to support your own position, but I require full confirmation in every place possible.

Odd that Horus Heresy fans try to perpetuate the idea that the game is thriving and doing insanely well, and GW cranks out stuff monthly for their less-successful inferior products that barely anyone plays. Hell, even recasters seem to bother less with the full range of HH.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:


"Me mates still play it at these places" =/= "Game being supported and continued throughout the near future". You can love your toys and play with them all the time, and "a fair few people" do not a successful game make.

It's funny that you want anecdotal evidence to support your own position, but I require full confirmation in every place possible.

Odd that Horus Heresy fans try to perpetuate the idea that the game is thriving and doing insanely well, and GW cranks out stuff monthly for their less-successful inferior products that barely anyone plays. Hell, even recasters seem to bother less with the full range of HH.

Likewise "No-one plays where I go" != dead game. It's funny when multiple people tell you it's generally doing well enough to be able to get games in regularly and without struggle, that you then dismiss it as 'that's only your area, doesn't mean the game aint dead like I say it is'.

Yeah it could be doing more, it could be the mainline game that GW produces and 40k could have less relevance. That's not the case. Is it as successful as it was when Calth/Propero were released back-to-back? No. Is it successful enough to continue producing it, and for those that are into it to continue to pay into and play it? Yes.

Realistically it's about as popular as Necroumunda or Bloodbowl, there will be pockets where it's always played and there will be pockets where it's nonexistent. You're in one of the latter, a few of us are in the former.

TL;DR - Heresy is not dead, nor dying, nor as successful as 40k. It's fine, could do with a better way to get people into it, but on the whole it's not in a bad place.

 BroodSpawn wrote:
Likewise "No-one plays where I go" != dead game. It's funny when multiple people tell you it's generally doing well enough to be able to get games in regularly and without struggle, that you then dismiss it as 'that's only your area, doesn't mean the game aint dead like I say it is'.

You're right.

But I am looking at how often there are releases for it. It seems like Necromunda got more FW releases than HH over the last few years. That's uncomfortable.

Oh, and the fact that the books ended last year might have some impact on the game's future.

If you want to say it's not dead, then fine- we can argue all day about dead and dying and what it means to us. But I'll say it like this: Support will be minimal, and it seems like it has been minimal. So... enjoy the game, you're doing far better than I could with my army (or have more patience).

If Horus Heresy were as massively awesome as people would like me to believe, then I'd have zero problems finding a game and I would gladly get the game out of my closet. But so far, it seems to be thriving about as much as WFB.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
But I am looking at how often there are releases for it. It seems like Necromunda got more FW releases than HH over the last few years. That's uncomfortable.

Oh, and the fact that the books ended last year might have some impact on the game's future.

So three vehicles either recently revealed or recently released (Sabre, two Aquitor Bombard variants), Blood Angel Dawnbreakers recently released, multiple Dark Angels units being previewed at the moment, as well as posts on WHC regarding "The Road to Thramas" as previews for Crusade are all indications that the books have ended, and support is drying up, are they?

It's amusing that you're enjoying being wrong as much as you are, but if the line wasn't at least proving profitable, then these things wouldn't be being released.

 Dysartes wrote:
So three vehicles either recently revealed or recently released (Sabre, two Aquitor Bombard variants), Blood Angel Dawnbreakers recently released, multiple Dark Angels units being previewed at the moment, as well as posts on WHC regarding "The Road to Thramas" as previews for Crusade are all indications that the books have ended, and support is drying up, are they?

It's amusing that you're enjoying being wrong as much as you are, but if the line wasn't at least proving profitable, then these things wouldn't be being released.

Wow, yeah. I guess that backwards Sicaran with 3 different ways to build it being marketed as 3 different tanks, and those 3 infantry model kits are an indicator of a thriving booming game and every place I am not is just wall-to-wall Horus Heresy.

"See? He twitched and peed! He's still alive, don't bury him!"

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
So three vehicles either recently revealed or recently released (Sabre, two Aquitor Bombard variants), Blood Angel Dawnbreakers recently released, multiple Dark Angels units being previewed at the moment, as well as posts on WHC regarding "The Road to Thramas" as previews for Crusade are all indications that the books have ended, and support is drying up, are they?

It's amusing that you're enjoying being wrong as much as you are, but if the line wasn't at least proving profitable, then these things wouldn't be being released.

Wow, yeah. I guess that backwards Sicaran with 3 different ways to build it being marketed as 3 different tanks, and those 3 infantry model kits are an indicator of a thriving booming game and every place I am not is just wall-to-wall Horus Heresy.

"See? He twitched and peed! He's still alive, don't bury it!"

just because your local store doesn't play HH doesn't mean it's a dead game, people on dakkadakka need to stop assuming "my local player group = all players of games ever"

Is HH doing less in terms of output etc then it did before? maybe but FW has always been kinda slow to put stuff out. FW is definatly still hurting from the loss of Alan Bligh, that much is pretty much undenied. personally I suspect FW is commited to finishing the Heresy simply because to do otherwise would be to disrespect the man's legacy.

that said the HH has, in terms of supplements a "limited lifespan" in that once they put out HH rules for all the legions, and cover everything up to the battle of terra well.. they're done. that's not nesscarily a bad thing. especially as it means once they do that, they can sit back, sell minis and not worry too much about making new books. unless/until they decide to do a 2nd edition

 Dysartes wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
But I am looking at how often there are releases for it. It seems like Necromunda got more FW releases than HH over the last few years. That's uncomfortable.

Oh, and the fact that the books ended last year might have some impact on the game's future.

So three vehicles either recently revealed or recently released (Sabre, two Aquitor Bombard variants), Blood Angel Dawnbreakers recently released, multiple Dark Angels units being previewed at the moment, as well as posts on WHC regarding "The Road to Thramas" as previews for Crusade are all indications that the books have ended, and support is drying up, are they?

It's amusing that you're enjoying being wrong as much as you are, but if the line wasn't at least proving profitable, then these things wouldn't be being released.

And Dark Angels (allegedly according to FW themselves) are one of the least popular heresy armies.... bet that changes soon with the nice models.

BrianDavion wrote:
Is HH doing less in terms of output etc then it did before? maybe but FW has always been kinda slow to put stuff out. FW is definatly still hurting from the loss of Alan Bligh, that much is pretty much undenied. personally I suspect FW is commited to finishing the Heresy simply because to do otherwise would be to disrespect the man's legacy.

The guy was great, for sure. He made that game into something awesome. And it's funny you brought him up, because his death is actually what made me lose faith in the game. Why?

When he died, the game's releases came to a grinding halt.

One guy.

...it was at that point I realized that GW/FW wasn't as invested in HH as they'd like people to believe. One guy falling off shouldn't derail development, because ambitious and successful projects have multiple people. 'One point of failure' is what happens when you lack manpower and resources, or... have completely incompetent leadership.

People act like I'm slamming their game. Well, it's my game too.

And again it's not just my local FLGS. I'd love a reason to unpack that small fortune I threw at HH and start playing.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
So three vehicles either recently revealed or recently released (Sabre, two Aquitor Bombard variants), Blood Angel Dawnbreakers recently released, multiple Dark Angels units being previewed at the moment, as well as posts on WHC regarding "The Road to Thramas" as previews for Crusade are all indications that the books have ended, and support is drying up, are they?

It's amusing that you're enjoying being wrong as much as you are, but if the line wasn't at least proving profitable, then these things wouldn't be being released.

Wow, yeah. I guess that backwards Sicaran with 3 different ways to build it being marketed as 3 different tanks, and those 3 infantry model kits are an indicator of a thriving booming game and every place I am not is just wall-to-wall Horus Heresy.

"See? He twitched and peed! He's still alive, don't bury him!"

The Sabre is a different vehicle to the Aquitor, with a smaller hull - see the image in this post for confirmation of that.

And no-one is claiming that every LGS is "wall-to-wall" HH - merely the game isn't down to its last five, or seven, or twelve, or whatever-you're-claiming-now players, and while maybe not as healthy as it was a couple of years ago, it is still doing reasonably well. Or as far as we can tell, given neither GW nor FW release sales figures.

Dead games don't get new releases, and FW's release schedule looks like old GW's release schedule.

Arguably HH is as popular as most other mini wargames that aren't 40k/AoS.

 Dysartes wrote:
The Sabre is a different vehicle to the Aquitor, with a smaller hull - see the image in this post for confirmation of that.

Oh, cool. We got a new tank. That hasn't happened since... 2017, I think. I'm impressed.

 Dysartes wrote:
And no-one is claiming that every LGS is "wall-to-wall" HH - merely the game isn't down to its last five, or seven, or twelve, or whatever-you're-claiming-now players, and while maybe not as healthy as it was a couple of years ago, it is still doing reasonably well. Or as far as we can tell, given neither GW nor FW release sales figures.

Dude, obviously I'm exaggerating for sarcasm when I say there's like seven people in 1000 mile radius that play the game. But only slightly more exaggeration than people claiming that it's doing great. Because... it's not. Truth be told, at its best it wasn't doing great. And that sucks because when it was at its best, it was exponentially better than 40k 7th edition.

However, you do understand that the game was a limited run, right? If I'm not mistaken, they've said that from the start. Now, as to what comes next- who knows?

Well, I kinda do. Cast doubt if you want, I'm fine with that. But I've got it on a pretty good source that WFB (Old World) is where the HH staff and manpower is being shifted to. Take it or leave it, call me a liar, tell me I'm wrong, I'm fine with that. I'm not even going to bookmark this post for posterity. That's just petty.

But, you know, you're thinking I might be right.

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 John Prins wrote:
Dead games don't get new releases, and FW's release schedule looks like old GW's release schedule..

Yeah, the 90's were weird.

I love this.
If anyone says it’s doing well then they are lying or wrong.

If you say it’s dead that’s that’s it because you said so.

This is despite the fact that release wise it’s doing fine, despite how much you knocked it without realising what had actually been released lately.

No one has said it’s wall to wall, but so far, nearly everyone here but you seem to find it’s doing fine in their area.

So now you need to decide.
Either produce facts, which no one is able to do.
Or, listen to people that actually post here, which you won’t as you are convinced everyone here except you is wrong.

I think we're going in circles. My question is answered, nope, no more plastics that anyone can see.

Thanks.