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Hi there guys!

So I ran this list yesterday in a local tournament (20 people) and got my ass kicked in 2/3 games. I know the list isn't top tier... but damn those two losses hurt bad.

Batallion

HQ
Chaos Lord [5 PL]
Combi-bolter [2pts], Chainsword, 76

Daemon Prince with Wings [9 PL]
Daemonsmith, Malefic talon [10pts], Warp bolter [3pts], Warlord, Warptime, Wings [1 PL, 9pts] 168

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL]
Combi-bolter [2pts], Force Sword [8pts], Spitespitter, Death Hex, Presience 110

Troops
Chaos Cultists [3 PL] 40

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL]
Aspiring Champion [11pts]
Boltgun, Chainsword
3x Marine w/ Boltgun [33pts]
Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon [36pts]
 Lascannon [25pts] 80

Chaos Space Marines [4 PL]
Aspiring Champion [11pts]
Boltgun, Chainsword
3x Marine w/ Boltgun [33pts]
Marine w/ Heavy or Special Weapon [36pts]
 Lascannon [25pts] 80

Elite Puntos 276
Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought [10 PL]
2x Butcher cannon [50pts] 138

Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought [10 PL]
2x Butcher cannon [50pts] 138

Heavy Support
Obliterators [18 PL]
Mark of Slaanesh 285

Spearhead
HQ
Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL]
Baleflamer [20pts] 170

Lord Discordant on Helstalker [9 PL]
Baleflamer [20pts] 170

Heavy Support
Venomcrawler [7 PL] 115

Venomcrawler [7 PL] 115

Venomcrawler [7 PL] 115


I really would appreciate any suggestion... I tried to splash in some thousand sons... but it kind of felt I lost synergies.

I lost against Dark Eldar --> those mortal wounds were horrible on my engines.
and Thousand sons with a Magnus and 50 Tzaangors --> the obliterators butcherd Ahriman, a daemon prince and a Tzaangor Shaman and almost a contemptor in turn 2 but too much tzaangors...

Finally I won on the last table againt Tau with 2 riptides --> I stole initiative so i could get rid of most of the markers lights in turn 1 and on turn 2 I built some pressure with the obliterators on the back lines...

The list is pretty decent but you don't have enough anti infantry in the list or enough cp.

Drop the contemptors and maybe the chaos lord for 30 cultists and RCC havocks or bikers. Against hoardes you just need a volume of shots and 8 butcher channon shots doesn't cut it. Even being really reliable it doesn't compete against 80 combi bolter shots or 64 RCC shots.

Also cultists are better throw away bodies than csm. If tzaangors kill 30 cultists then it's no problem but if they charge 15 csm they're likely to get into contemptors as well and you can't let that happen and win.

Mostly it comes down to experience, mainly on positioning to stop your opponent doing what they want. It's easy to get wrapped up in making as many charges as possible and forget about screening and holding objectives.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll definetly will throw in some more cultists too screen my dreads and even squeeze another contemptor with lasers in and give the chaos Lord the siege master trait....

For 2000 points im thinking or havoks or a maulerfiend or the khorne daemon engine from FW or even some more obliterators.

Again, thanks a lot.

Honestly, you'd need more CP.

No problem, it's a tough list to play is daemon engines. A master of possession is also a good shout, you have to play a bit slower so he can keep up but you get a 4++ invul and reroll 1s for hits and wounds with him. He's moving 9.5 inches on adverage so it's not too slow as the daemon engines have such a big footprint.