GK Intonement for Guidance

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**Elric Greywolf**

“When resolving an attack made with a ranged weapon by a model in that unit, ignore hit roll modifiers and Ballistic Skill modifiers.”

I’ve already seen someone claiming that vehicles ignore damage table because of this.
Can someone explore why this is or is not the case; while ignoring the Culexus’s rule definitely is the case?

**Stux**

You can't ignore the damage table, because without the damage table for a vehicle with variable BS it would have a null BS.

There is no default BS for such vehicles, it's just an asterisk and then reading off the table.

**Sterling191**

Damage tables are not hit modifiers. They change the underlying BS/WS of the unit as it degrades, not apply a malus to the roll.

**bananathug**

Yeah, the vehicle table isn't a BS modifier but the actual units BS is derived from the wounds table.

**JohnnyHell**

A damage table tells you the BS. It’s not a modifier. Whoever’s claiming that is trying to make up/misinterpret rules to their benefit.

**BaconCatBug**

Indeed, it's not a modifier, it's a replacement.

**Elric Greywolf**

So why is the Culexus’s special rule different? It sets the unit’s BS at a specific value, just like the damage table does (indeed, just like the basic datasheet does for every unit).

**BaconCatBug**

Elric Greywolf wrote:
So why is the Culexus’s special rule different? It sets the unit’s BS at a specific value, just like the damage table does (indeed, just like the basic datasheet does for every unit).

Because the damage table does not modify a ballistic still, it simply IS the ballistic skill. The Culexus modifies (more accurately, replaces) the Ballistic skill characteristic. The * is a placeholder, not an actual characteristic.

**nosferatu1001**

Elric Greywolf wrote:
So why is the Culexus’s special rule different? It sets the unit’s BS at a specific value, just like the damage table does (indeed, just like the basic datasheet does for every unit).

Without the damage table, tell me the value of the units BS. bear in mind that "*" is not a valid for bs.

**grendal**

Sorry for picking this post back up, but i feel that the culexus part was not entirely answered.
Do i assume correctly that "Intonement for guidance" does not ignore the Culexus' Etherium rule? As it sets the BS to 6, and does not actually "modify" it?
Cheers!

**Ghaz**

It is a set modifier (i.e., a modifier that sets the result to a specific value).

**p5freak**

No. The culexus is not a modifier. It changes the relevant characteristic.

Q: If an ability instructs me to resolve an attack with a different
characteristic (e.g. a Culexus Assassin’s Etherium ability) does
this happen before or after any other modifiers that also apply to
that characteristic (e.g. the Drukhari Serpentin Combat Drug)?
A: When resolving such an attack, change the relevant
characteristic to the new value before applying any
modifiers to that new value.
In the example above, the Weapon Skill of the model
attacking a Culexus Assassin is treated as being 6+
because of the Etherium ability, but the Serpentin then
boosts it to 5+.

**skchsan**

Elric Greywolf wrote:
So why is the Culexus’s special rule different? It sets the unit’s BS at a specific value, just like the damage table does (indeed, just like the basic datasheet does for every unit).

Damage chart does not 'set' the characteristics. Units with damage chart has VARIABLE characteristics. Just because the value can change, it doesn't mean it's considered to be 'modified'.

**BaconCatBug**

skchsan wrote:
Elric Greywolf wrote:
So why is the Culexus’s special rule different? It sets the unit’s BS at a specific value, just like the damage table does (indeed, just like the basic datasheet does for every unit).
Damage chart does not 'set' the characteristics. Units with damage chart has VARIABLE characteristics. Just because the value can change, it doesn't mean it's considered to be 'modified'.

Exactly. The damage chart doesn't replace the characteristic, it simply IS the characteristic.