Primaris as OG marines

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**Bharring**

Models can be Primaris or Marines, but not both.

**Bharring**

It's also hard for Tac Marines to get hard-squatted by Intercessors, as the only reason they're not a very reasonable alternate kit for Intercessors today is that they have their own statline.

Remove the 'Tac Marine' entry, and Tac Marines (at least the bolter squaddies, and several of their options) just become smaller Primaris.

Assault Marines and all sorts of support options for them, though, might get hard-squatted.

**Bharring**

Karol wrote:
Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Just to clarify, the concept of "eventually" is incredibly flexible.

in fluff they were already soft squated. almost every marine book, focuses mainly on primaris and in lore the normal marines more or less got wiped out.
So the classic stuff is legal to play with, which is big for someone who doesn't care much about the lore, but could be a problem for someone who does.

By that standard, every faction but Marines (or maybe just UltraMarines) has been soft squatted in practically every edition.

Primaris are getting most of the attention, but in the fluff the Marines are still around.

**Bharring**

Karol wrote:
Define they are still around.

The fluff states that not all Marines have taken the Rubicon Primaris. Further, that not all Marine chapters use Primaris.

Your argument extends to the claim that Craftworlders have been soft-squatted because Marines get more attention.

If your a new player like me. And just go through the lore it. It is a battle brother becomes a venguard , then runs around with a hellblaster, etc yeah bikes and land speeders are mentioned, but if you don't know in advance that those can't be used by primaris or aren't maned by them. And then GW forces primaris even on chapters that should really not be willing to accept them at all. And right now even DA have them in their inner circle. Hey even the FT took them in. When was the last time we got a story about normal marines? maybe it was in the black library books, and even there am not sure if it was true. Because the two I read about the new 8th ed lore were super strange, with mutant primaris chapter masters and classic marines killing themselfs including their gene seed because they were genestealer agents all along, and only the new primaris are the real cool marines.

If you're a Marine player, your codex probably doesn't discuss Necrons very much. That doesn't mean Necrons have been soft-squatted.