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I can share my story with you.

Back in 2017 I attended LVO for the first time. I was happy to go and be with my friends, but my interest in 40K was fading fast. I'd only been playing for three years at the time and the horrible levels of cheese in 7th were just killing any will I had to play.

While visiting the FW booth, my friend and I lucked into a nice deal. A previous customer had purchased a some HH books, but discovered that they had spine and back cover damage. The GW rep offered to sell them to us at a discount (it really wasn't that bad in terms of damage) of 40% off.

The next day, I came back to the booth and bought Roubute Guilliman, a Betrayal at Calth Boxset, 2 Deimos Rhino, a Deimos Vindicator Laser Destroyer, a Levithan with claw and melta, a couple of Ultramarine upgrade pacs.

My friend bought a ton of Tagmata stuff for Ad Mech.

When we got home, we went on a building spree and within a couple of days I had the start of my army ready to go. We found out that there was a group in the bigger city north of us, so on Fridays we'd drive up to play the game from time to time. Even there, the number of players were less than 10 (actually less than 7 I think.)

It was a fun game and I did see it as a lot more balanced with less of the problems that 40K had at the time. But, what truly drew me to the game was the lore and story and the models.

Unfortunately, less than 5 months later 8th edition dropped and the entire community imploded. EVERYONE was playing 8th. Most people sold their HH armies to buy the new primaris marines and the number of players fell to three, then 2 and then finally 1.

After learning 8th, I was in the camp that was hoping that HH would move to the new ruleset and when they announced that it would not, I dropped it like a hot rock and never looked back.

Funny enough, Adeptus Titanicus is satisfying my HH needs these days, far cheaper and easier to transport, with more players, it seems like the better fit for me.

 Big Mac wrote:
30k players seem to be historical elitist when comparing to 40k players.
1) 30k lacks diversity in term of xenos, so its a marine hotdog fest, the players have to be able to tell the difference between Mark II, Mark III and Mark IV armor, then their associated bolter patterns, plasma gun patterns and so on...

2) most 30k are in resin, a material new and harder to work with than plastic, not to mention cost; so the new 30k player would most likely to be a 40k veteran gone to the deep end, whereas a new 40k player is probably a teenager getting their first plastic krak

3) availability of 30k outside of EU, now it’s just gotten a bit easier with the new FW shop in the Dallas, TX USA. Prior to that was very expensive with getting what was already expensive resin kits out of EU; thanks to the Brexit, the dollar is worth more to the pound, kits are somewhat affordable.

4) a lot of us collect 30k models for coolness, or use them as subs, but not enough to play a legit 30k game.

It has been over a year since my last game, but I am almost positive that the Mark of the armor or boltgun patterns do not have their own special rules. Plasma, Melta and so on are the same in both editions, aside from being 7th/8th ed divide.

 UnstableDominus wrote:
In my store the 30K community specifically requires you to use deimos pattern rhinos (and other Heresy FW sculpts) in order to gate-keep regular 40K players. Otherwise they won't play against you or allow you to join in. For a lot of people this make the transition between games far more difficult and expensive to bridge. The worst part is that most of these people then go out and buy recast.

Their restrictions are not a problem for me to meet (I have a small 13th Legion force I've used to play with them before), but the community has been off putting enough that I've kept my most recent 30K endeavors to Titanicus.

Elitest pricks.

This right here is how you kill a community.