If you could change one thing about the 40k setting what would it be?

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**Gadzilla666**

mrFickle wrote:
pm713 wrote:
mrFickle wrote:
I’d make the setting less imperial centric. Not by decreasing the volume of imperial resources but upping the xenos and chaos stuff. It always feels like the galaxy is imperial territory and eldar are sort of bobbing around in there, Orks just show up for a Suicide mission, dark eldar have 1 planet? Necrons are like a land mine, chaos just spill out of the eye of terror for a laugh. Only tau have their own defined territory. I can’t believe that in the whole galaxy there aren’t more strongholds of non humans. It’s a real big place.

But most of the galaxy IS imperial territory. Craftworlds and Exodites are basically refugees, Dark Eldar can only live in the Webway and Commoragh is the only city left there because the others were either destroyed or joined into Commoragh and honestly newcrons are lucky to have what they do with their dumbass travel fluff.

I agree there should be more Orks and Chaos bases though. One has empires all over and the other can pop up whenever they please because magic.

And there you go, that is what I’d change. If eldar and dark eldar are such small fry then they really add anything other than intrigue to the setting, they aren’t enough of a presence to really affect the narrative of the galaxy, or if they do that it feels a bit unconvincing. I’d much prefer it if Orks and eldar had a dominion like the tau did, even if the eldar was split up across the craft worlds. But the great rift story line should be the start of chaos establishing a permanent foothold in the galaxy and taking control of imperial planets and chaos armies getting the same attention as imperial armies from the GW

Chaos's new foothold in the galaxy since the Great Rift opened should definitely be better represented. The Night Lords should retake Tsagualsa, for instance.

**Gadzilla666**

Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Chaos needs a big loss that cripples it. The setting is not as fun as it could be if Chaos gets to win all the time without bit losses. It makes it utterly predictable. As such I propose a book series where one or two Chaos gods are killed by the Emperor and coordinated efforts of humanity leading to a war where Chaos is for the first time on defense as their precious little eye of terror is invaded by the Holy Crusade which at least cripples Chaos leading them to rebuilding their power for entire millenia.

You're being sarcastic right?

**Gadzilla666**

BrianDavion wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Chaos needs a big loss that cripples it. The setting is not as fun as it could be if Chaos gets to win all the time without bit losses. It makes it utterly predictable. As such I propose a book series where one or two Chaos gods are killed by the Emperor and coordinated efforts of humanity leading to a war where Chaos is for the first time on defense as their precious little eye of terror is invaded by the Holy Crusade which at least cripples Chaos leading them to rebuilding their power for entire millenia.

You're being sarcastic right?

Maybe he's satirizing all the people claiming the IoM needs to suffer giant losses by turning the shoe on the other foot?
that said there's a germ of an intreasting story in the idea of a IoM offensive that pushes right into the eye...

Imagine this, start a campagin by building up a great IoM general, leading a sizable Indomatus crusade force. he takes planet after planet steam rolling chaos, and begins to get cocky... to the point he orders his fleet to persue a retreating chaos army right into the eye... where he fights a campaign in the eye.. mention contact being sporadic after that, and mention vague referances implying he's knocking heads, but other then that, leave it dangling for a few years.. only to have him and his army exit the rift having been turned to chaos as a major new villian.

Sounds interesting. But isn't that kinda what already happened with the renegade chapters from the Badab War?

**Gadzilla666**

Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Chaos needs a big loss that cripples it. The setting is not as fun as it could be if Chaos gets to win all the time without bit losses. It makes it utterly predictable. As such I propose a book series where one or two Chaos gods are killed by the Emperor and coordinated efforts of humanity leading to a war where Chaos is for the first time on defense as their precious little eye of terror is invaded by the Holy Crusade which at least cripples Chaos leading them to rebuilding their power for entire millenia.

You're being sarcastic right?

Nope. To quote where I got the idea from:

Chaos loses. I dont mean slap on the wrist loses but still wins i mean up to a chaos god DYING because of their feth up. Or chaos suffers a massive internal war as "Good" chaos gods form and start a order versus chaos war. The way chaos is written the fact that the various warbands dont destroy themselves just by existing is bs and needs a massive overhaul.

My point being in order to return stakes to 40k and fantasy chaos has to lose and lose to the point that yes that was indeed an irrecoverable loss on their part. We already have that with the imperium, technology is forever lost daily, planets destroyed, cadia gone, entire marine chapters lost in single battles. What about chaos? Nothing they never lose only win.

Or return malal to the pantheon as a sort of visible anti chaos figure, a logical evolution from chaos' self destructive behavior manifesting as chaos with in chaos as the various gods start unraveling.

Just fething something for gods sake. Chaos has won the last 15,000 years let the other players win in the lore just once.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/you-can-change-1-thing-about-40k-what-is-it.827296/post-65132722

So "chaos has won the last 15000 years" huh? So I guess you and whoever wrote that quote are new to all this.

May I suggest reading just some of the lore and fiction from the setting? You know there's a reason that chaos's most prominent character is referred to as "Failbaddon".