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As per mod instructions, a new thread once the errata released.

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Glad to see a certain unit getting a whopping 50point reduction!

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yay. now people can wait for the spring FAQ and the marine changes, maybe coming or maybe not coming in it.
   
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Games Workshop - "Even our erratas need erratas."

Joking aside, I guess the price hike for Ogryns was intentional then?

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Wow, RIP, I guess it was just too powerful for Thousand Sons to have 2 different cults, take their relic from one and their warlord trait from the other.

I get it, I get it, can't let these uppity NPC armies have too many options. Why that's nearly 1/3 of the number of relics any given space marine chapter would have access to!
   
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 vipoid wrote:
Games Workshop - "Even our erratas need erratas."

Joking aside, I guess the price hike for Ogryns was intentional then?
either that or not enough people asked about it. Either way, i suspect the ship has sailed and the ogryns’ printed points cost is the their crystallised cost and will remain so.
   
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They couldn't even be bothered to adapt the R&H chaos spawn?!?


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Not Online!!! wrote:
They couldn't even be bothered to adapt the R&H chaos spawn?!?


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Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Wow, RIP, I guess it was just too powerful for Thousand Sons to have 2 different cults, take their relic from one and their warlord trait from the other.

I get it, I get it, can't let these uppity NPC armies have too many options. Why that's nearly 1/3 of the number of relics any given space marine chapter would have access to!

Yeah this really really sucks, Cults really are so limitative
   
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 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.

Iron Hands weren't in scope for either of these FAQ/errata documents, so I'm not sure why you're bring them up.

Possibly the Spring Big FAQ, more likely the Autumn Big FAQ.

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...well, that was disappointing. some Custodes models went back up in points in this errata, and it's ones i liked. wonderful...

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the_scotsman wrote:
Wow, RIP, I guess it was just too powerful for Thousand Sons to have 2 different cults, take their relic from one and their warlord trait from the other.

I get it, I get it, can't let these uppity NPC armies have too many options. Why that's nearly 1/3 of the number of relics any given space marine chapter would have access to!


I find it kind of weird that you expected this would be a thing. I get that it probably wouldn't be as broken as marines are right now, but I don't want to go that direction.


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Not Online!!! wrote:
They couldn't even be bothered to adapt the R&H chaos spawn?!?


Feth this


Saving it for the FW book no doubt. An easy thing for them to change temporarily at least, but they just don't want to for whatever reason.


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 Dysartes wrote:
 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.

Iron Hands weren't in scope for either of these FAQ/errata documents, so I'm not sure why you're bring them up.

Possibly the Spring Big FAQ, more likely the Autumn Big FAQ.


Well, given how light this FAQ is and how long it took them....what the hell was the delay even about? I get it probably took a long time to comb through and find the missing entries, but...two months?

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I actually expected something like a 30page pdf writen in size 8 font.
   
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 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.


Begrudgingly i'll admit that there probably aren't a ton of point changes that put IH in place without sacrificing all the other marines. The FW books need a revisit and hopefully Astartes first. The real fix does have to be March (better not be August or the community will riot more than now).

I'm just confounded that they sat on it this long and didn't do anything...more comprehensive.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.


Begrudgingly i'll admit that there probably aren't a ton of point changes that put IH in place without sacrificing all the other marines. The FW books need a revisit and hopefully Astartes first. The real fix does have to be March (better not be August or the community will riot more than now).

I'm just confounded that they sat on it this long and didn't do anything...more comprehensive.


The only "issue" with IH isn't the models. It's how they can buff the models. I believe it was in another thread .To fix the issue without re-costing everything, severely damaging other lists. Change a couple of the keywords around. Instead of "Dreadnought" have "Heavy Dreadnought" or "Relic Dreadnought".

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 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.


Begrudgingly i'll admit that there probably aren't a ton of point changes that put IH in place without sacrificing all the other marines. The FW books need a revisit and hopefully Astartes first. The real fix does have to be March (better not be August or the community will riot more than now).

I'm just confounded that they sat on it this long and didn't do anything...more comprehensive.


The only "issue" with IH isn't the models. It's how they can buff the models. I believe it was in another thread .To fix the issue without re-costing everything, severely damaging other lists. Change a couple of the keywords around. Instead of "Dreadnought" have "Heavy Dreadnought" or "Relic Dreadnought".


Or each supplement gets its own point values.

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Martel732 wrote:

Or each supplement gets its own point values.


That would create a whole other level of chaos. I support a variable point handicap for supplements. Like 150 to use IH, 100 for RG, etc. But people don't usually like that... and it's a half baked idea that will never get traction.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Martel732 wrote:

Or each supplement gets its own point values.


That would create a whole other level of chaos. I support a variable point handicap for supplements. Like 150 to use IH, 100 for RG, etc. But people don't usually like that... and it's a half baked idea that will never get traction.


I really dont like that idea, because it punishes fluffy Iron Hands lists that arent using immortal Dreads just because they could.

The balance needs to be on the actual specific things causing the problem, not punishing the entire sub faction.
   
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 Stux wrote:


I really dont like that idea, because it punishes fluffy Iron Hands lists that arent using immortal Dreads just because they could.

The balance needs to be on the actual specific things causing the problem, not punishing the entire sub faction.


I get that, but I think the whole pile of IH is somewhat problematic given their rules stacking - not just dreads. It's a discounted cost for getting a captain for every unit and then some.

It certainly is not a nuanced solution.

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wow... "mistakes creep in" eh ? 3 pages worth of instances on incorrect data entry. There's clearly no QA oversight there lol.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.


Begrudgingly i'll admit that there probably aren't a ton of point changes that put IH in place without sacrificing all the other marines. The FW books need a revisit and hopefully Astartes first. The real fix does have to be March (better not be August or the community will riot more than now).

I'm just confounded that they sat on it this long and didn't do anything...more comprehensive.

Yeah this should have been released within the typical 2 week timeframe. Nothing here required this long to address.
As far as


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Not Online!!! wrote:
They couldn't even be bothered to adapt the R&H chaos spawn?!?


Feth this

Agreed. Just because they're doing new fw books doesn't mean they couldn't balance fw units based on the rules they had at the time ca was written. Isn't that the whole point of the damned book?


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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Stux wrote:


I really dont like that idea, because it punishes fluffy Iron Hands lists that arent using immortal Dreads just because they could.

The balance needs to be on the actual specific things causing the problem, not punishing the entire sub faction.


I get that, but I think the whole pile of IH is somewhat problematic given their rules stacking - not just dreads. It's a discounted cost for getting a captain for every unit and then some.

It certainly is not a nuanced solution.


Knowing their typical approach they'll take down all marines with ih. Gw rarely does "nuanced ".

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Bdrone wrote:
...well, that was disappointing. some Custodes models went back up in points in this errata, and it's ones i liked. wonderful...

Yeah. I don't know how I'm going to cut another 10 points for the Lastrum Bolt Cannons, my current Custodes list really doesn't have any fat left on it.

   
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60pt twin punisher. The vulture was already a bit outclassed by the punisher russ. Now we have both PA buffs for russes and a 20pt price hike on the vulture. I'm beginning to think GW doesn't actually want people using FW units anymore, they keep getting either neglected, badly rewritten, or nerfed.

I guess it is just removing an overlooked discount but it still annoys me. The russ gets to shoot twice so having the same cost seems weird.

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 Dysartes wrote:
 Asmodai wrote:
Iron Hands are fine. Apparently it's Ogryns and Aquilon Terminators that needed nerfs.

Iron Hands weren't in scope for either of these FAQ/errata documents, so I'm not sure why you're bring them up.

Possibly the Spring Big FAQ, more likely the Autumn Big FAQ.


If they won\t do anything to IH/IF in spring faq then lol. They reacted faster with spring faq on lesser issues than these two are

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