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Im up to blood of baal in terms of reading the fluff in the PA books.
Was it me or was it a bit uninspired?

Several books setup scenarios and then simply left them completely hanging.
Others were a bit too imperium on the backfoot -> reinforcements come in from X -> battle turned.
And others had fairly dodgy premises for the fighting.

Are GW planning some sort of super final fluff book to tie this altogether or were the books simply background for setting scenarios or narrative missions to?

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Maybe it is a 'campaign' that will\can be resolved either with user submissions or at a GP (does GW do that anymore?)

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Yeah, so far the involvement of space marines basically deflated all narrative tension for me.

Blood of the Pheonix? TBH I couldn't care less about ynnari gak, so whatever.

Who's fighting? Oh, nids and BA? I know who wins.

Oh it's a big plot between the Thousand Sons and the GK and DA are trying to stop it? Already know who wins.

I am curious to see how The Greater Good goes, but I can already tell you which faction is going to win in War of the Beast and whatever one the Deathwatch end up in (probably spider war)
   
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 carldooley wrote:
Maybe it is a 'campaign' that will\can be resolved either with user submissions or at a GP (does GW do that anymore?)


Seeing we know the end situation where this leads(fluff in the 8th ed start) hardly. These are in between fall of cadia and start of 8th ed fluff

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I gave up after the fantastic mix of plot holes, stupidity and mehness that was Phoenix Rising. That did not include any phoenix rising, falling or doing much else of note.

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I think I sorta gave up on new fluff for me eldar a while ago, so I did not go into it with much excitement.
The price killed it with the models so it was sour very fast there ;(
   
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I think I sorta gave up on new fluff for me eldar a while ago, so I did not go into it with much excitement.
The price killed it with the models so it was sour very fast there ;(


You do realize you could've just bought the book itself, don't you? Or do you just need some excuse to keep going on about the box set?
   
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Most campaign/supplement fluff has just been mustach twirling saturday morning cartoon villains verses the always underdog saturday morning cartoon hero that somehow manages to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat because plot armor. There is never anything at stake. Main characters are never in any danger. This shouldn't be new to anyone.
   
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 Ratius wrote:
Im up to blood of baal in terms of reading the fluff in the PA books.
Was it me or was it a bit uninspired?

Several books setup scenarios and then simply left them completely hanging.
Others were a bit too imperium on the backfoot -> reinforcements come in from X -> battle turned.
And others had fairly dodgy premises for the fighting.

Are GW planning some sort of super final fluff book to tie this altogether or were the books simply background for setting scenarios or narrative missions to?


Its background.

I feel like GW should have been clearer that the PA stuff is all happening BEFORE where 40k is currently set. Its exploring what happened during the 100 years of the Indomitus Crusade after the rift opened. We know no more primarchs show up, theres no major character deaths or faction shifts etc. The fluff is only there to provide narrative hooks and such. 40k fluff has always been more about providing things to base ideas around than a consistent narrative.

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 carldooley wrote:
Maybe it is a 'campaign' that will\can be resolved either with user submissions or at a GP (does GW do that anymore?)


I hope not.. i hated the last time... chaos vs the imperium... end result... killed Eldrad?

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 Sim-Life wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
Im up to blood of baal in terms of reading the fluff in the PA books.
Was it me or was it a bit uninspired?

Several books setup scenarios and then simply left them completely hanging.
Others were a bit too imperium on the backfoot -> reinforcements come in from X -> battle turned.
And others had fairly dodgy premises for the fighting.

Are GW planning some sort of super final fluff book to tie this altogether or were the books simply background for setting scenarios or narrative missions to?


Its background.

I feel like GW should have been clearer that the PA stuff is all happening BEFORE where 40k is currently set. Its exploring what happened during the 100 years of the Indomitus Crusade after the rift opened. We know no more primarchs show up, theres no major character deaths or faction shifts etc. The fluff is only there to provide narrative hooks and such. 40k fluff has always been more about providing things to base ideas around than a consistent narrative.


Is it? I was under the impression that the rift was causing more psykers to be created, hence "psychic awakening".
If its supposed to be between now and the fall of Cadia, GW really didn't do a good job of showing it. They could have at least said at the very beginning, when they were teasing it, that the books take place in the past, instead of leading people to believe that new stuff was going to happen and crazy warp stuff was on the way.


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 carldooley wrote:
Maybe it is a 'campaign' that will\can be resolved either with user submissions or at a GP (does GW do that anymore?)


I hope not.. i hated the last time... chaos vs the imperium... end result... killed Eldrad?


Didn't GW ignore the actual results and went with what they wanted?

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I'm pretty happy I didn't buy into those books.

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To be fair, most GW fluff for the last ten or twelve years has been underwhelming and uninteresting, since the end of 4E/early 5E. There's a serious lack of imagination and increasing emphasis on "and then they slew all their enemies righteously" or the like.

Same with the artwork increasingly looking like stuff out of Leagur of Legends or WoW.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair, most GW fluff for the last ten or twelve years has been underwhelming and uninteresting, since the end of 4E/early 5E. There's a serious lack of imagination and increasing emphasis on "and then they slew all their enemies righteously" or the like.

Same with the artwork increasingly looking like stuff out of Leagur of Legends or WoW.
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I think expecting *Good* Black Library is a bit much (although its a mistake I've made before) - but they used to be able to spin a narrative, even if it was just "remember this unit? remember this character? He's fighting that here".

The books describing the Damocles Gulf war at least... told a story? Sort of from outbreak to conclusion.

The fluff in PA1 by contrast is dire. Ynnari get ambushed by Slaanesh daemons. Ynnari get ambushed by Dark Eldar. Ynnari get ambushed by yet more dark eldar - again!. As usual for a dying race, loads of people die every paragraph with no obvious consequence (there may be infinite sub-dimensions containing infinite True Kin but not sure about everyone else.)

We get brief tour through the Craftworlds and Commorragh, say hello to some Harlequins and Corsairs only to set up and end a fight that... doesn't matter, because Saturday Morning cartoon villains will always be back next week.

The Gathering Storm books were better than this I think. Not dramatically better - but they had... something to them in a plot sense.

The main hook is the little side comments in all the books which may or may not hint at future releases. But yes, buying the books for the fluff would be a mistake.
   
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I really liked the lead up story about the GSC for the Greater Good, there is a lot of potential in this book, I am maintaining low expectations but am still hopeful.

 
   
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 Rippy wrote:
I really liked the lead up story about the GSC for the Greater Good, there is a lot of potential in this book, I am maintaining low expectations but am still hopeful.


Agreed the Tau based stories were actually interesting but when most of the books have no room for much else besides dozens of pages of slightly altered marine datasheets I guess they could not be bothered to write much fluff.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Rippy wrote:
I really liked the lead up story about the GSC for the Greater Good, there is a lot of potential in this book, I am maintaining low expectations but am still hopeful.


Agreed the Tau based stories were actually interesting but when most of the books have no room for much else besides dozens of pages of slightly altered marine datasheets I guess they could not be bothered to write much fluff.


Yeah having three non-marine factions which are all mostly made up with nobodies will be interesting, a lot of good potential for interesting and fun stuff. Almost putting money on marines rocking up last minute to save the Guardsman though.

 
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
To be fair, most GW fluff for the last ten or twelve years has been underwhelming and uninteresting, since the end of 4E/early 5E. There's a serious lack of imagination and increasing emphasis on "and then they slew all their enemies righteously" or the like.

Same with the artwork increasingly looking like stuff out of Leagur of Legends or WoW.
But didn't you hear? If you preferred a rich setting to a sub-par story-line you hate progress and improvement!

Good thing it was never an either-or choice with GW. Setting was and still is as wide as atlantic and as shallow as Jervis's game balancing skills and the less said of the stories the better
   
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I've only bought "Faith and Fury" and "Ritual of the Damned" Had F&F been good I might have been tempted to buy the others for the fluff but well....

yeah F&F was insanely weak. it didn't tell a story, it set up 3 fights that... I dunno GW COULD address later but likely won't. (unless they use a SOB focused PA book to return to said conflict)


Ritual of the damned was a little better, heck it's the makings of a decent BL story if you handed the events off to the right author.

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I haven’t bought any of the PA books, yet, but from reading what everyone has said they sound like a total rip off and really GW should have put it all in one book. People seem to be getting little value from each one individually unless your desperate for some new rules to make your army more competitive
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
I've only bought "Faith and Fury" and "Ritual of the Damned" Had F&F been good I might have been tempted to buy the others for the fluff but well....

yeah F&F was insanely weak. it didn't tell a story, it set up 3 fights that... I dunno GW COULD address later but likely won't. (unless they use a SOB focused PA book to return to said conflict)


Ritual of the damned was a little better, heck it's the makings of a decent BL story if you handed the events off to the right author.


Not really since Ritual ended with "OH NO THEIR SPACE SHIPS HAVE ORBITAL LASERS WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THEM HAVING SUCH A WEAPON?"


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mrFickle wrote:
I haven’t bought any of the PA books, yet, but from reading what everyone has said they sound like a total rip off and really GW should have put it all in one book. People seem to be getting little value from each one individually unless your desperate for some new rules to make your army more competitive


I'd be pretty pissed if I had to buy a €50 book to get 6-8 pages of rules (unless I play Space Marines). The way they've done them is much better unless you suffer from really severe FOMO or complitonism in which case its kind of on you.

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I've only read F&F so far, and while there was a lot of moustache-twirling and deus-ex, I actually appreciate the open-ended nature of the story - they set up narrative hooks that allow narrative players like myself to feel like they are playing "in" that setting.

Contrast with Vigilus, which is "finished" (other than reports of smaller skirmishes), making the setting more of a future-history one. If you want to take part in the Vigilus setting, you're either fighting one of these current ancillary skirmishes, or you are playing a "historical" battle as part of a larger war that you already know the outcome of.
   
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I liked how the Night Lords fluff in Faith and Fury depicted them as they should be: reavers luring ships into traps so as to loot and pillage them before dispatching their crews in heinous, bloody fashion. All while not relying on any daemonic crap.

Of course then the Space Mongolians show up and turn the tables because: SPACE MARINES!

Fething gw.

The story should have ended with the White Scars showing up to the asteroid field only to find a graveyard of derelict ships floating in a sea of frozen corpses. The Night Lords long gone, having accomplished their personal goals, and left the other Chaos warbands to their fate. Because they never gave a feth about their grand schemes in the first place.

But then the mighty space marines couldn't be portrayed as the rescuing Saturday morning cartoon heroes could they?

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I think at this point CSM are essentially the Dr Claw of the 40k universe - always so close but "I'll get you next time Gulliman! Next Time!!"

Abbadon tore the galaxy in half but decided on a break for the next century, maybe he was just as shocked as everyone else.


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ccs wrote:
Apple fox wrote:
I think I sorta gave up on new fluff for me eldar a while ago, so I did not go into it with much excitement.
The price killed it with the models so it was sour very fast there ;(


You do realize you could've just bought the book itself, don't you? Or do you just need some excuse to keep going on about the box set?


The models where most of the reason for my interest, the seperate book is a waste of money if I not even excited for what’s in it. Fairly clear.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
I liked how the Night Lords fluff in Faith and Fury depicted them as they should be: reavers luring ships into traps so as to loot and pillage them before dispatching their crews in heinous, bloody fashion. All while not relying on any daemonic crap.

Of course then the Space Mongolians show up and turn the tables because: SPACE MARINES!

Fething gw.

The story should have ended with the White Scars showing up to the asteroid field only to find a graveyard of derelict ships floating in a sea of frozen corpses. The Night Lords long gone, having accomplished their personal goals, and left the other Chaos warbands to their fate. Because they never gave a feth about their grand schemes in the first place.

But then the mighty space marines couldn't be portrayed as the rescuing Saturday morning cartoon heroes could they?


honestly I felt the Night Lords vs White scars bit has some really intreasting potential, both are fighting in stelath based hit and run raid styles etc. it makes for a fun dynamic.


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So has the Psychic Awakening actually resulted in some sort of change to the game with regards to psychic powers etc. The only rules I have seen are still very much around shooting, saves and buffs, stratagems etc. Any new awesome psychic powers revealed?
   
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mrFickle wrote:
So has the Psychic Awakening actually resulted in some sort of change to the game with regards to psychic powers etc. The only rules I have seen are still very much around shooting, saves and buffs, stratagems etc. Any new awesome psychic powers revealed?


Some factions have unlocked new psychic powers, but the campaign isn't about getting more psychic stuff so much as the human race (primarily) becoming more psychically active and the other factions having to deal with having stronger warp presences etc.
   
 
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