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I would have sworn I knew the answer, but I just played a game at a GW shop...

A Maulerfiend moved, advanced, had warptine played on him in the psychic phase, and charged in that same turn. The GW employee said warptime basically erases the prior movement phase and the warptime move counts as the only movement phase on the turn... so by not advancing after warptime, he could charge. The maulerfiend took out my only source of long range AT on turn 1 and basically shifted the whole game... it was only a 1k game and the turn 1 charge flipped in my opponent's favor.

I wouldn't have believed it if it hadn't come from the GW staffer... is this how warptime works?

They were incorrect.

You cannot charge if you advanced, and if you advanced before warp time then you advanced and still cannot charge.

There is nothing in the rules to suggest using warp time removes the fact that the unit advanced.

Remember, GW store staff receive no formal training in the rules. They pick it up just like us from playing games and engaging with the hobby. They are just fallible as anyone else. They may have more experience than the average person, but they still have gaps in their knowledge and make false assumptions sometimes.

 MacPhail wrote:
I wouldn't have believed it if it hadn't come from the GW staffer...

GW's sales staff receive no special training when it comes to the rules of the games that they sell. I see nothing in the rules or FAQs that the use of Warptime would mean that a model hadn't Advanced that turn if it had.

When a unit advances in its movement phase it cannot charge, unless a special rule says otherwise. As others have said, warptime doesnt remove that restriction. It also cannot charge when it didnt advance in its movement phase, but did advance with warptime, because all rules that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’. Warptime allows you to move as if it were the movement phase.

To reassert the answers of everyone else here, Warptime does not remove the restriction because it doesn't say it does.

When in doubt always ask for proof in writing, not some opinion whether it works or how it should work.

Its worth noting that there is a Strategem that allows a Daemon Engine to charge after advancing.

Not saying that he used it, but it is possible.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Its worth noting that there is a Strategem that allows a Daemon Engine to charge after advancing.

Not saying that he used it, but it is possible.

Yes, but you need to pay 1CP for the soulforged pack detachment, and another CP for the stratagem. Not worth it for a regular daemon engine like crawler or fiend.

Red corsairs can do that manouvre if they get the trait.

But since it is a fiend no, this is not possible without the detachment and the stratagem.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Red corsairs can do that manouvre if they get the trait.

But since it is a fiend no, this is not possible without the detachment and the stratagem.

A RC disco lord can move+advance, move+advance again with warptime, and charge, because he is a character. But vehicles, like a fiend, dont get legion traits.

Okay, thanks for the responses... I had a feeling I was right and should have made a bigger deal. It's hard when the GW dude comes down on the wrong side... it's 2-on-1 and I feel like I'm the jerk if I raise hell, but it did cost me the game. Oh well, live and learn... and thanks again!

 MacPhail wrote:
Okay, thanks for the responses... I had a feeling I was right and should have made a bigger deal. It's hard when the GW dude comes down on the wrong side... it's 2-on-1 and I feel like I'm the jerk if I raise hell, but it did cost me the game. Oh well, live and learn... and thanks again!

You can't always win the rules debate, even when you're right. In a GW store if the GW staff member is adamant it's a certain way, all you can do is state your case and hope they follow your logic. It's their house at the end of the day.

 Stux wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
Okay, thanks for the responses... I had a feeling I was right and should have made a bigger deal. It's hard when the GW dude comes down on the wrong side... it's 2-on-1 and I feel like I'm the jerk if I raise hell, but it did cost me the game. Oh well, live and learn... and thanks again!

You can't always win the rules debate, even when you're right. In a GW store if the GW staff member is adamant it's a certain way, all you can do is state your case and hope they follow your logic. It's their house at the end of the day.

IMBHO, the employees should not be policing games. They are usually wrong about the rules (In my experience) so I just do not talk to them about rules.

 p5freak wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Its worth noting that there is a Strategem that allows a Daemon Engine to charge after advancing.

Not saying that he used it, but it is possible.

Yes, but you need to pay 1CP for the soulforged pack detachment, and another CP for the stratagem. Not worth it for a regular daemon engine like crawler or fiend.

Well actually the Mauler Fiend is quite deadly with lasher tendrils, so it can be worth it.

In Australia the employees have changed from hardcore game store managers to more casual hipster employees I've found. There was a push several years ago to get rid of the old stigma of stores being too competitive to push away casual audiences. And this has resulted in a lax of rules policing. Similar to a way GW writes their rules now. YMMV.