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2020/03/12 14:36:42
Subject: Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
So, according to a lord video by Occulus Imperia, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQu-g8K7qtc&t=1480s), it was decried by the Emperor that it is illegal or forbidden to create or manufacture Psyker weaponry. He then goes on to create the Warlord Psi-Titans with their "Right hand of God" weapons. Obviously it's do as I say, not as I do. But in that regard, who created the Grey Knights, because everything they use is Psy-weapons. Who creates their weapons?
For that matter, who creates The Blank Assassins weapon? I know this is very shaky lore, but I am honestly curious. So much of the books is Psyker = Heresy = kill on site. But this seems like a pretty big law, which is broken what must be daily. Isn't every Librarian weapon essentially a Psy-weapon?
2020/03/12 14:45:35
Subject: Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
Sanctioned psykers are okay, it's unsanctioned psykers that cause problems, are prone to possession, and create that fear of psykers that makes the sanctioned ones' job harder than strictly necessary.
2020/03/12 15:06:14
Subject: Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
Strictly speaking, the ordo sinister and assassinorium are the emperor's personal household forces (talons of the emperor), so get his exemption from the law, and the grey knights work under the aegis of the inquisition, so also get to sidestep the law.
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2020/03/12 15:40:50
Subject: Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
Right, I get the Holy Inquisition said "We're special", but if the lore is correct, Malcador was the only person that the Emperor trusted with this? So the Highlords just basically said That doesn't apply to us? Who is literally manufacturing the Psy weapons in use today? The AM?
2020/03/12 15:54:38
Subject: Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: Right, I get the Holy Inquisition said "We're special", but if the lore is correct, Malcador was the only person that the Emperor trusted with this? So the Highlords just basically said That doesn't apply to us? Who is literally manufacturing the Psy weapons in use today? The AM?
Malcador created the Grey Knights, so I guess he may have gotten permission ahead of time.
And the Grey Knights have their own personal Forge World so that the secrets of their Psy Weaponry doesn't get out.
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2020/03/12 15:58:51
Subject: Re:Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
Specifically, Deimos was relocated to serve as the dedicated forge world of titan. They produce most of the psy equipment for the grey knights, though I believe some of the more advanced stuff is produced in house on titan.
2020/03/12 16:50:13
Subject: Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
Is it really as simple as Malcador created them? I thought Malcador shared Emperors vision of a secular Mankind? Your saying he basically backed the Ecclesiastes?
2020/03/12 19:06:27
Subject: Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
Ok, so what is the basic time when the Cult was founded? Because this might be another of the "no, that was the old testament" screw ups I do with the lore dates, as in pre- Horus mess..
2020/03/13 14:37:54
Subject: Re:Grey Knight Weapons and the illegality of the creation of Psyker weapons
Here's a good synopsis on how Malcador founded the Grey Knights.
Spoiler:
It was Malcador who convinced the Emperor of the necessity of creating a new force of Space Marines specifically tasked with fighting the threats of the Warp. The Emperor would later concede He had made a mistake when He created the original Legiones Astartes, for they had been intended to fight the threats to humanity found only in the physical realm, and not the far worse horrors of the Immaterium.
The Emperor had believed that the Ruinous Powers would not be able to interact with the physical realm as easily as had proved the case or to corrupt His most powerful servants with such little effort. The creation of the new corps of psychic Space Marines was intended to remedy this terrible oversight.
Among the twelve individuals Malcador had presented to the Emperor in the days before the Siege of Terra when he took the Master of Mankind's place upon the Golden Throne were many of those who had already served the Imperium well. Eight of the twelve were Astartes drawn from both the Loyalist and Traitor Legions. These included many of the most prominent of his own Knights-Errant, including Tylos Rubio, Macer Varren, Janus, Epimetheus, and Khyron. Among the mortals were the former Iterator Kyril Sindermann, the former Remembrancer Lemuel Gaumon and the Silent Sister Amendera Kendel.
After they were presented, the Emperor gave His approval, noting that Malcador had chosen well and the project shoud continue. Malcador had decided to split the group up to deal with the very different tasks set before them; the four mortal lords were kept separate from the Astartes and moved to lay the framework of what became the early Imperial secret police force known as the Inquisition while the Space Marines travelled with Malcador through a Webway portal to the moon of the gas giant of Saturn known as Titan.
Through the use of Malcador's abilities, Titan had been cloaked from the ravages that had befallen the Sol System during the battles of the Horus Heresy. The eight Astartes discovered that a great fortress-monastery had already been established on Titan's frigid methane plains, stocked with all the supplies, materiel and vehicles needed to create a new Space Marine force. This included stockpiles of gene-seed drawn from an unknown source whispered to be the Emperor Himself.
The fortress was already filled with thousands of Aspirants drawn from locations across the galaxy, many untrained while others had once been selected for service with the remaining Loyalist Legions, though every single one was a psyker. The new Space Marine force would be organised not as a Legion, however, but as a Chapter, a smaller, more focused army only a few thousand Astartes strong. As Malcador needed to return to Terra immediately to carry out his last duty for the Emperor and Mankind, he chose Janus to serve as the first Supreme Grand Master of the new Chapter, which was to be called the "Grey Knights."
As he left, Malcador cast his last and greatest psychic enchantment. The entire moon of Titan was hidden within the shifting tides of the Immaterium, shielded from its many dangers by Macro-Gellar Fields and sigilic rites of protection that had been prepared on the moon beforehand. In this way, Titan and its Grey Knights were protected from the final battle of the Horus Heresy while Janus and his seven comrades built and organised their new Chapter safely within the Warp. Titan finally emerged into the Immaterium approximately a thousand Terran years later in the 32nd Millennium.
The Grey Knights, now a fully-forged Chapter dedicated to the defence of Mankind from the daemonic terrors of Chaos, contacted the Inquisitor Lastan Neemagiun Veritus, once known as Kyril Sindermann, to let them know they were ready to join the fight. In the wake of the War of the Beast, the Grey Knights would become the highly-classified Chamber Militant of the new-formed Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition.