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I was looking at specifically The Old Ones using Orkz to battle the C'tans Necrontyr. Does 40k have lore on this I could read into? I am looking into developing a rich and interesting role play format that is beyond just playing for victory points and I could use some direction. Thank you in advance.

Well technically the old ones didn't engineer the Orks, but the Krork, who were basically Orks x10 as far as size and technology goes. Apparently Trazyn has a Krork in his collection and his armour supposedly more advanced than Imperial power armour and he's like 12 feet tall. The closest modern Orks have gotten to that is during the War of the Beast.

When in doubt lean on the Mek side of ork culture. Their love of machinery, their greed and drive to tinker with anything and everything would mean if they set their beady eyes on anything Necron they'll move hell or high water to get their claws on.

Perhaps they managed to reverse engineer scarabs or tomb spiders, causing utter havoc on a tombworld.

I've always wondered what the Necrons initial reactions to orks were when they woke up. Im imagining it was pretty hilarious.

 Red Marine wrote:
I've always wondered what the Necrons initial reactions to orks were when they woke up. Im imagining it was pretty hilarious.

Until the Orks started looting their obelisks...

I personally favour the idea that the Orks (or their forebears) were created by the old ones to fight the Tyranids, in some iner-galactic genetic warfare.

comparisons:
1: both are seemingly genetically engineered for survival
2: both quickly adapt to overcome challenges they face
3: both seed planets with spores - orks when they die, nids because they do
4: both seem to exist for the sole purpose of killing/fighting
5: both rely one their genetic predispositions for intelligence, psychic ability, etc.

I think the old ones p***ed off another galaxy, and had the nids launched at us in retalliation, so they made the Orks to fight them.


non of which, as far as I know, is canon.

I downed and read the story "Severed" which is one reason I chose necrons as my army to do while I was quarantine.

They are a lot more complicated that "KILL ALL HUMANS! ALL LIFE MUST DIE!" robots and the novel does them justice. It also implies that the apparent nature of a certain necron may not be as it seems.

In my thinking, the krork were created as a Sisyphian protocol. A self replicating, self sustaining war machine that only required the addition of an enemy to activate. They weren't necessarily created to win, but to keep the necrontyr at bay, by their never ending tide of violence.

This would give them time to find other means of defeating the necrons.

Part of this comes from how Ork technology currently appears. They love to loot things, and they love powerful opponents. The imperium is the biggest opponent they currently have and they loot a lot of their stuff.

You notice how Ork tech even looks like imperial tech?

My theory as part of the premise above, is that the krork were designed to build their war footing as a direct opposition to whatever enemy they were fighting. They loot and modify technology, but they do so to whatever tech they encounter. They become a mirror of their opponent, and thereby force a perpetual bloody stalemate.


Thus their current imperial esque war materiel and structure. We see them dragging imperial forces into neverending wars using their own looted gear against them, because war is all they want and victory means the war is over.


Under this premise, the war in heaven krork would have built an opposing force using looted necron tech and deployed dynastic klans using copious teleportation and energy weaponry. I can imagine squigbot swarms forming their own crude living metal.

And once the necrons disappeared and the krork had 60 million years to fight themselves and everyone else, their technology changed. The Eldar as the biggest opponent, using psychic engineering, meant the krork psychic field would be manipulated to control psychically grown weaponry.

They already grow oil squigs, beard squigs, etc. Growing gun squigs or fungi crystalline materials for weaponry is not out of the realm of possibility.


This leads to my theory that the Eldar are the ones responsible for the loss of the brain boys. Under the krork started relying on their psychic abilities the eldar (at pre fall post heaven levels of super Saiyan) psychically destroyed the brain boys, using the psychic field to tear their genes out across the galaxy.

And thus the Orks were made less and without their command structure degenerated into what we have today. The Eldar Empire and it's automata legions were easily able to keep them contained for the next X million years before the fall destroyed their infrastructure and let the Ork floodgates spill them back throughout the galaxy again.