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Hey all. I've been toying with a list I'm gonna put together. It's gonna be an experiment in extreme speed painting as well.
I purposely chose not to include 3 Doomsday Arks or any Doom Scythes. The single DDA included is mostly because I don't like the idea of running 3 Destroyers naked.
Battalion is Sautekh for the access to Imotekh, +1 CP and Farm. It's nice with the single DDA too, and opens up for the Tomb Blades to have Gauss instead, should I choose (still not sure what is best for them, so input appreciated).
Novokh is such a strong dynasty in melee, and too good to pass up for 12 Wraiths. The VoD Cryptek escorted Destroyers don't benefit nu from any dynasty anyway.

Original list


List 2.0 after initial input

Even thought I am no fan of sautehk or novokh, I think you are on the right path. However, I'd recommend a normal cryptek instead of Orikan, give him the veil of Darkness and make him stay near a group of immortals. Like that you'd have a little bit more mobility.

He did that for the second detachment...

I would remove orikan and switch him for a destroyer lord with Warscythe and Nanoscarab Casket and then swap the destroyers and Cryptek into the battalion and the destroyer lord and scarabs down into the Novokh detachment.

I’m running something similar but I’m running a vault instead of the wraiths and dda.

I don't like Crypteks, Orikan is good with Immortals, but I still think a Lord is more important. To go with the Lord I'd also change Tomb Blades and DDA to 3x3 Heavy Destroyers, since your list has only one Doomsday Arks I think you will struggle against heavier armour and I think 9 Heavy Destroyers would help a lot in that regard as well as present a more rounded army instead of having a single unit with a Destroyer profile and a single unit with -1 to hit and TB profile and a single unit with DDA profile and Quantum Shielding. Having a Lord in the Sautekh Battalion means we can give him the Veil of Darkness and move the Destroyers to Sautekh which makes them a target of MWBD and gives you freedom in what to target with the Veil. I don't like Triarch Stalkers in anything but gunlines, if you only have 40-70% of your list in shooting mode then I'd rather just have a more efficient damage dealer than a support damage dealer, your Destroyers already re-roll 1s as well. Gauss vs tesla is a lot harder to answer on Tomb Blades than on Immortals, I think it comes down to your opponent's list and your own playstyle. If you don't plan on getting close to your enemy tesla is better, if you don't have enough anti-GEQ tesla is better, if you plan on ramming the Tomb Blades into enemy shooting units then the anti-MEQ firepower of gauss might be better. When I pick I don't fuss too much about it, I have no way of knowing whether the next game will leave me wanting one or the other.

Cryptek are overpriced, but in comparison Orikan is ok for 100 pts. He has a 5+ inv 6" bubble for infantry. A cryptek with chronometron is 95 pts. and has a 5+ inv 3" bubble for infantry, but only against ranged attacks.

I tried compounding the input into a second list. I kinda like how it looks, but the destroyer Lord feels a bit out of place to me. Basically I see him coming up behind one of the wraith units, and going ham in melee, I suppose?

The Lord could support the 3x3 Heavy Destroyers, the Teslas or VoD himself behind enemy lines with the 6 Destroyers. Versatile, but you'd almost want a Lord for each of those jobs!
I guess where I put hin just depends on the matchup, which is good.

Thoughts on new version?

Edit: I do kinda miss the crypteks though.. Reanimation Protocol is so iconic, and one for the main reasons I like Necrons (however bad it may be in games). I'm just not sure where to fit one in?

I would stick with a cryptek and VoD for the destroyers, bringing back a model on a 4+ is huge, better than rerolling 1s to wound. You will use EP on destroyers anyway, which makes the lord obsolete.

 p5freak wrote:
I would stick with a cryptek and VoD for the destroyers, bringing back a model on a 4+ is huge, better than rerolling 1s to wound. You will use EP on destroyers anyway, which makes the lord obsolete.

That was kind of my thinking too, with the stratagem.

It would then be:
-1 Lord
-2 Immortals
+1 Cryptek with Chronometron

Try the Lord a couple of games and the Cryptek a couple of games, even at top tables you can get away with a little bit of flavour or personality. There are a lot of lists where I'll take a Cryptek and Orikan belongs in a fair number of lists, especially ones with Sautekh Warriors or Flayed Ones.

 p5freak wrote:
I would stick with a cryptek and VoD for the destroyers, bringing back a model on a 4+ is huge, better than rerolling 1s to wound. You will use EP on destroyers anyway, which makes the lord obsolete.

If he has 3x3 Heavy Destroyers then that's pretty huge. That's an extra 17% shooting with 900 pts of shooting, making the Lord potentially very worth it. How many Reanimation rolls are you going to make at most within 3" of the Cryptek? 200 pts at most, that's 33 pts more you get back every turn, vs getting an extra 150 pts worth of shooting and killing 50 pts more of your opponent each turn.

900 pts. of shooting with 9 heavy destroyers ??

I think he was confusing the cost of a full unit of destroyers with that of a unit of heavies.
The point I see in going with the Lord would be that he can fill a role depending on matchup. If I'm against a horde, he can back the Teslas, against armor he can back the heavies, and if something needs to be assassinated, he can teleport in with the 6x destroyers


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Also, am I the only one who thinks it's weird the Destroyers Lord's aura is so restrictive, compared to the regular Lord? Imo is should just be the same. It seems weirdly gimped, also considering that he's a melee HQ made to support shooting only..

 p5freak wrote:
900 pts. of shooting with 9 heavy destroyers ??

30 Immortals, Imotekh, 9 Heavy Destroyers. Should be able to pack that into a Lord aura.

Senserazer wrote:
Also, am I the only one who thinks it's weird the Destroyers Lord's aura is so restrictive, compared to the regular Lord? Imo is should just be the same. It seems weirdly gimped, also considering that he's a melee HQ made to support shooting only..

Even the regular Lord is restrictive in terms of what it can target, most abilities work on all <subfaction> units, Astra Militarum orders are more restrictive because so few of their units can have subfactions. I do think it makes sense, Destroyer Lords shouldn't just be more mobile Lords. Eventually they'll be priced at what they are worth, which is pretty much their raw stats IMO the aura is just fluff. The buff should definitely extend to melee, but I doubt Necrons are getting updated datasheets in the next 30 months. It'll probably be 6-9 months before we get PA.

Immortals+ Heavies! Roger

Luckily it's quite easy to flex between the Lord and Cryptek, so that change is easy to make. How about the 2.0 list in general? I quite like it.

Also, I am really a sucker for a list that is 2k on the nose.

 vict0988 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
900 pts. of shooting with 9 heavy destroyers ??

30 Immortals, Imotekh, 9 Heavy Destroyers. Should be able to pack that into a Lord aura.

In theory yes. In practice you want everything in cover, because its pretty vulnerable. And some of your units need to hold objectives, which arent in your deployment zone. Heavy destroyers only have 36", you wont be able to shoot everywhere when all heavy destroyers are in one spot. Which is a downside of them, a DDA doesnt care with its high powered cannon 72" range.

I think realistically the Lord will only be able to support either the Tesla or the Heavies, depending on what I need the most.

I'm gonna go with the 2.0 list I reckon. Might experiment with swapping between Lord and Cryptek. It seems to be a decent "take all comers" list though. Tesla for infantry, destroyers for armor and the Wraiths to go elite hunting. And an HQ to back up each of those aspects.