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2020/04/10 17:03:04
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
Oh, for goodness' sake. Found it with Google.
Nevermind, kids.
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Somewhere in an 8e FAQ, it was disallowed to use Quicken, Twilight Pathways, or Warp Time on a unit after it arrived from Reserve. I'm having trouble finding that FAQ and I'd like to print a copy.
This is in the Craftworld FAQ 1.3, comes close, but not what I'm looking for.
"Q: When a Psyker in my army casts the Quicken psychic
power on one of my units, can that unit Advance when it makes
this move?
A: Yes."
I couldn't find it in the Big FAQ nor Chaos SM. I figured it might be listed with Warp Time, right? It's not in the Harlequin FAQ either.
Would someone please help find the link to the correct FAQ?
Thanks!
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There is no such thing as a unit arriving from reserves.
BRB update 1.6
Q. The rules for reinforcements say that when a unit is set up
on the battlefield as reinforcements, it cannot move or Advance
further that turn, but can otherwise act normally (shoot,
charge, etc.).
Can such a unit make a charge move? Can it pile in
and consolidate?
A: Yes to both questions – the unit can declare a charge
and make a charge move, and if it is chosen to fight, it
can pile in and consolidate.
Can such a unit move or Advance for any other reason e.g.
because of an ability such as The Swarmlord’s Hive Commander
ability, or because of a psychic power such as Warptime from
the Dark Hereticus discipline, or because of a Stratagem like
Metabolic Overdrive from Codex: Tyranids, etc.?
A: No.
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2020/04/10 17:53:48
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
It's not an official game term, but it is common shorthand for models setup off the battlefield. As you well know, or you wouldnt have been able to answer the question.
2020/04/10 21:41:38
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
What about abilities that teleport a unit from one location to another. Thousand sons comes to mind. Psychic Power: Sorcerous Facade... Select a unit within 6" Remove that unit from the battle field and set it up more than 9" away from enemy models.
1. Is warptime legit there? Not a thing about reinforcements.
2. Since they were on the board, we can do that turn 1?
2020/04/10 22:12:56
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
Sazzlefrats wrote: What about abilities that teleport a unit from one location to another. Thousand sons comes to mind. Psychic Power: Sorcerous Facade... Select a unit within 6" Remove that unit from the battle field and set it up more than 9" away from enemy models.
1. Is warptime legit there? Not a thing about reinforcements. 2. Since they were on the board, we can do that turn 1?
Anything that is "set-up" mid turn is reinforcements, as per the BRB. Teleporting means you can't use Warptime on the unit. Reinforcements does not mean "arrived from off the battlefield".
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2020/04/12 09:37:04
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
What BCB said. The rational behind that is that when you can't move during your movement phase, you also can't use abilities that allow you to move as if it were the movement phase.
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2020/04/12 09:56:57
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
Sazzlefrats wrote: What about abilities that teleport a unit from one location to another. Thousand sons comes to mind. Psychic Power: Sorcerous Facade... Select a unit within 6" Remove that unit from the battle field and set it up more than 9" away from enemy models.
1. Is warptime legit there? Not a thing about reinforcements.
2. Since they were on the board, we can do that turn 1?
Anything that is "set-up" mid turn is reinforcements, as per the BRB. Teleporting means you can't use Warptime on the unit. Reinforcements does not mean "arrived from off the battlefield".
This doesnt work, and you know it.
A disembarking unit is set up mid turn, thus they are reinforcements, as per the BRB. The transports rule tells us that units that disembark can then act normally (move, shoot, charge, fight, etc.) during the remainder of their turn. At the same time the rules tell us that reinforcements cannot move or Advance further during the turn they arrive, their entire Movement phase is used in deploying to the battlefield. As we need to follow all rules when playing, a disembarking unit cant move. And it cant be warptimed, because its reinforcements.
No one plays it that way, a disembarked unit can move.
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2020/04/12 12:54:49
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
Sazzlefrats wrote: What about abilities that teleport a unit from one location to another. Thousand sons comes to mind. Psychic Power: Sorcerous Facade... Select a unit within 6" Remove that unit from the battle field and set it up more than 9" away from enemy models.
1. Is warptime legit there? Not a thing about reinforcements. 2. Since they were on the board, we can do that turn 1?
Anything that is "set-up" mid turn is reinforcements, as per the BRB. Teleporting means you can't use Warptime on the unit. Reinforcements does not mean "arrived from off the battlefield".
This doesnt work, and you know it.
A disembarking unit is set up mid turn, thus they are reinforcements, as per the BRB. The transports rule tells us that units that disembark can then act normally (move, shoot, charge, fight, etc.) during the remainder of their turn. At the same time the rules tell us that reinforcements cannot move or Advance further during the turn they arrive, their entire Movement phase is used in deploying to the battlefield. As we need to follow all rules when playing, a disembarking unit cant move. And it cant be warptimed, because its reinforcements.
No one plays it that way, a disembarked unit can move.
It doesn't matter how people play it, it's what the RaW says. Please stop trying to derail the thread. We were not talking about disembarking units.
Also Disembark has a special rule saying the unit may "act normally", which overrides the cannot move rule.
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2020/04/12 16:09:47
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
BaconCatBug wrote: It doesn't matter how people play it, it's what the RaW says. Please stop trying to derail the thread. We were not talking about disembarking units.
Also Disembark has a special rule saying the unit may "act normally", which overrides the cannot move rule.
I am not derailing anything. This thread is about moving reinforcements with warptime, or a similar ability. Disembarked units are reinforcements, they are set up mid turn. A disembarked unit can move normally, but they cant be warptimed, because they are reinforcements ?
2020/04/12 16:30:03
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
BaconCatBug wrote: It doesn't matter how people play it, it's what the RaW says. Please stop trying to derail the thread. We were not talking about disembarking units.
Also Disembark has a special rule saying the unit may "act normally", which overrides the cannot move rule.
I am not derailing anything. This thread is about moving reinforcements with warptime, or a similar ability. Disembarked units are reinforcements, they are set up mid turn. A disembarked unit can move normally, but they cant be warptimed, because they are reinforcements ?
Correct. It's almost like GW have a mass of contradictory FAQs and Rules, or something.
2020/04/12 20:27:25
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
BaconCatBug wrote: It doesn't matter how people play it, it's what the RaW says. Please stop trying to derail the thread. We were not talking about disembarking units.
Also Disembark has a special rule saying the unit may "act normally", which overrides the cannot move rule.
I am not derailing anything. This thread is about moving reinforcements with warptime, or a similar ability. Disembarked units are reinforcements, they are set up mid turn. A disembarked unit can move normally, but they cant be warptimed, because they are reinforcements ?
Disembarked units are not reinforcements.
I can not fathom why you think they are.
The reinforcements rules state "Many units have the ability to be set up on the battlefield mid-turn..."
What unit has the ability to disembark?
Because none of the dataslates I have seen list "disembarking" as a units ability.
Unless you have a citation from an FAQ I missed.
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2020/04/12 20:28:13
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
BaconCatBug wrote: "The ability" is not the same as "An ability". Anyway, let's not derail this thread please?
But they don't have an ability. The ability is granted by the transport, not them. They're not reinforcements.
So if I deep Strike a unit with a strat, are they not reinforcements?
A strat that a unit can use...
So the strat is their ability.
The same is not true for a transport allowing a unit to disembark.
The transport has the ability to embark and disembark units. Units dont get to disembark were to not for the transports rule.
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2020/04/12 22:28:32
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
Disembarking is not Reinforcements, no matter how many times a few peeps repeat that they think it is.
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2020/04/13 00:26:11
Subject: Warp Time, Quicken, etc, not after Deep Strike
