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Here are some updates based upon prior feedback:

I have some points left to add/update items. I have an assault based force with the Centurions coming in via tactic to outflank.

What I consider to be a good backfield fire support base and forward attacking assault force.

Thanks!

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [42 PL, -2CP, 832pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: White Scars

+ HQ +

Kor'sarro Khan [105pts]

Primaris Chapter Master [5 PL, -2CP, 82pts]: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle, Stratagem: Chapter Master, Warlord

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 106pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 124pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 5x Intercessor: 5x Bolt pistol, 5x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 124pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 5x Intercessor: 5x Bolt pistol, 5x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Impulsor [4 PL, 97pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

Impulsor [4 PL, 97pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

Impulsor [4 PL, 97pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [40 PL, 656pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: White Scars

+ HQ +

Primaris Lieutenants [4 PL, 70pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle

+ Heavy Support +

Centurion Devastator Squad [24 PL, 350pts]
. Centurion: Hurricane bolter, Two Heavy Bolters
. Centurion: Hurricane bolter, Two Heavy Bolters
. Centurion: Hurricane bolter, Two Heavy Bolters
. Centurion: Hurricane bolter, Two Heavy Bolters
. Centurion Sergeant: Hurricane bolter, Two Heavy Bolters

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Thunderfire Cannon [4 PL, 92pts]
. Techmarine Gunner
. . Servo-harness: Flamer, Plasma cutter

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [40 PL, 491pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: White Scars

+ HQ +

Techmarine [4 PL, 47pts]: Chainsword, Servo-arm, Storm bolter

+ Elites +

Relic Javelin Attack Speeder [9 PL, 108pts]: Heavy bolter, Twin lascannon

Relic Javelin Attack Speeder [9 PL, 108pts]: Heavy bolter, Twin lascannon

Relic Javelin Attack Speeder [9 PL, 108pts]: Heavy bolter, Twin lascannon

Servitors [3 PL, 40pts]: 2x Heavy bolter, 4x Servitor, 2x Servo-arm

Servitors [3 PL, 40pts]: 2x Heavy bolter, 4x Servitor, 2x Servo-arm

Servitors [3 PL, 40pts]: 2x Heavy bolter, 4x Servitor, 2x Servo-arm

++ Total: [122 PL, -2CP, 1,979pts] ++

Is there better traits or army builds to make this better?

Maybe White Scars successor, or WS outright?

Could also look at Stalwart and Whirlwind and take all MSU veteran intercessors.

You're lacking any weapons above S4 besides the Power Fists, I'd get some heavy weapons in there somewhere to face the T7+ models you'll almost certainly come across at 2k point games.

You have six Lieutenants in there. That's easily four more than you need unless you're trying to compensate for not having any weapons over S4, and you'd probably be better off just bringing 300 points of higher S weapons.

Going straight WS would absolutely be better with that many Autobolter Intercessors. Advancing and still being able to charge is an amazingly under-rated ability.

When you say the Phobos units are for back-field objectives I feel like that needs clarification. Backfield objective holders want long-range guns that can afford to just stand back and shoot all game, Phobos units are good for jumping on mid-field objectives instead, which is kind of the opposite of that.

I took the extra Lts so I could have one character in each squad running in the Impulsors (CC support).

The infiltrators I could remove and replace with TLC Razorbacks or a different ML solution...

Maybe a supreme command detachment with Khans on Bikes.

I was trying to stay with all Primaris options.



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++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [39 PL, 782pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: White Scars

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain [4 PL, 77pts]: 1. Litany of Faith, Litany of Hate

Primaris Lieutenants [8 PL, 138pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Melee weapon replaces rifle, Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Melee weapon replaces rifle, Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Melee weapon replaces rifle, Thunder hammer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Impulsor [4 PL, 84pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Skytalon Array

Impulsor [4 PL, 84pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Skytalon Array

Impulsor [4 PL, 84pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Skytalon Array

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [39 PL, 782pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: White Scars

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain [4 PL, 77pts]: 1. Litany of Faith, Litany of Hate

Primaris Lieutenants [8 PL, 138pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Melee weapon replaces rifle, Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Melee weapon replaces rifle, Thunder hammer

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Melee weapon replaces rifle, Thunder hammer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Impulsor [4 PL, 84pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Skytalon Array

Impulsor [4 PL, 84pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Skytalon Array

Impulsor [4 PL, 84pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Skytalon Array

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [24 PL, 435pts, -3CP] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: White Scars

+ Stratagems +

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of extra Relics

+ HQ +

Captain on Bike [6 PL, 135pts, -2CP]: Chogorian Storm, Plasma pistol, Stratagem: Chapter Master, Thunder hammer, Twin boltgun, Warlord, Wrath of the Heavens

Khan on Bike [6 PL, 100pts]: Glaive of Vengeance

Khan on Bike [6 PL, 100pts]

Khan on Bike [6 PL, 100pts]

++ Total: [102 PL, 1,999pts, -3CP] ++

Ah, ok.

I think you're going to find that Power Sword Lieutenants don't hit hard enough, but with all those Thunder Hammers on the Intercessors it might not be an issue.

Edit: Nevermind, I was really sure the Intercessor Sergeants didn't get any cheaper if you dropped their Bolt weapons for melee weapons. Apparently I was mistaken. It seems like there has to be a better place to shave the 6 points you're saving though.

One other thing: Chaplains can't use their Littanies if they're not on the board at the beginning of the round* as of now, so no disembarking from a transport/deep striking and then chanting. Hopefully it gets an errata because it's dumb, but I thought I should point it out just in case you weren't aware of the issue.

* Not the turn, the round. So if you're going second you have to decide what Littany to chant at the beginning of your opponent's turn. It's even dumber than it looks at first.

I was throwing the Chaplains in for the same reason - basically character support and extra attacks at Str 5, -1.

The litanies have a 33% chance of not going off anyway, so I would use them as a bonus. I could replace with Librarians, but they are more expensive.

Seems very swingy with all the D3/D6 rolls. I could utilize the TL LasC Chaplain Dreads for Anti-tank/non targeting backfield...?

I see.

I'd probably drop a Khan on a Bike and the Chappies for two Primaris Captains with Power Fist and Plasma Pistol in that case to help the T-Hammers hit better in that case.

I do like the Chappie dread for untargettable backfield support, despite how pricey he is.

Just seems I get better CC options with the Non-Primaris list, but so much more fragile.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [36 PL, 684pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Duellists, Stalwart, White Scars Successor

+ HQ +

Librarian [5 PL, 93pts]: 5) Spirits of Chogoris, Force stave, Plasma pistol

Lieutenants [10 PL, 138pts]
. Lieutenant: Bolt pistol, Power fist
. Lieutenant: Bolt pistol, Power fist

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 76pts]
. 4x Space Marine: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Thunder hammer

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 76pts]
. 4x Space Marine: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Thunder hammer

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 76pts]
. 4x Space Marine: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Thunder hammer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Rhino [3 PL, 75pts]: Hunter-killer missile, 2x Storm bolter

Rhino [3 PL, 75pts]: Hunter-killer missile, 2x Storm bolter

Rhino [3 PL, 75pts]: Hunter-killer missile, 2x Storm bolter

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [36 PL, 684pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Duellists, Stalwart, White Scars Successor

+ HQ +

Librarian [5 PL, 93pts]: 2) Lightning Call, Force stave, Plasma pistol

Lieutenants [10 PL, 138pts]
. Lieutenant: Bolt pistol, Power fist
. Lieutenant: Bolt pistol, Power fist

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 76pts]
. 4x Space Marine: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Thunder hammer

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 76pts]
. 4x Space Marine: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Thunder hammer

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 76pts]
. 4x Space Marine: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Thunder hammer

+ Dedicated Transport +

Rhino [3 PL, 75pts]: Hunter-killer missile, 2x Storm bolter

Rhino [3 PL, 75pts]: Hunter-killer missile, 2x Storm bolter

Rhino [3 PL, 75pts]: Hunter-killer missile, 2x Storm bolter

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [39 PL, -2CP, 631pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Duellists, Stalwart, White Scars Successor

+ HQ +

Captain on Bike [6 PL, -2CP, 130pts]: Adamantine Mantle, Bolt pistol, Chogorian Storm, Stratagem: Chapter Master, Thunder hammer, Twin boltgun, Warlord

Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought [11 PL, 167pts]: 1. Litany of Faith, Litany of Hate, Twin lascannon
. Melee weapon: Dreadnought combat weapon, Storm bolter

Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought [11 PL, 167pts]: 2. Catechism of Fire, Litany of Hate, Twin lascannon
. Melee weapon: Dreadnought combat weapon, Storm bolter

Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought [11 PL, 167pts]: 5. Recitation of Focus, Litany of Hate, Twin lascannon
. Melee weapon: Dreadnought combat weapon, Storm bolter

++ Total: [111 PL, -2CP, 1,999pts] ++

Updated based on some feedback.

Comments welcome!

If they're coming in from reserve I'd probably go with either Assault Centurions or Boltstorm Aggressors. Centurion Devastators don't really want to get close to the enemy, Assault Cents and Aggressors are brutal in CC without giving up a ton of firepower compared to the Dev Cents, and they're cheaper for some undoubtably stupid reason.

I thought about Boltstorm Aggressors as well...

Maybe have to consider them again.