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Hi all, just building an ultramarine list I like out of models I like and have/plan on buying, unsure when it comes to relics etc so any advice on them would be grand also any glaring mistakes as this was my first time using battlescribe so I may have missed some bit
What do you think on the list anything I'm glaringly planning on doing wrong


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [56 PL, 8CP, 931pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Captain in Gravis Armor [6 PL, 108pts]: 2. Inspiring Leader, Boltstorm gauntlet, Master-crafted power sword, The Burning Blade, Warlord

Primaris Librarian [5 PL, 98pts]: Force sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 112pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 5x Intercessor: 5x Bolt pistol, 5x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power fist

Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 102pts]: Bolt rifle
. 5x Intercessor: 5x Bolt pistol, 5x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Thunderfire Cannon [4 PL, 92pts]
. Techmarine Gunner
. . Servo-harness: Flamer, Plasma cutter

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [28 PL, 1CP, 569pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Lieutenants [4 PL, 69pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [5 PL, 111pts]: 2x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Primaris Ancient [4 PL, 69pts]

Redemptor Dreadnought [7 PL, 155pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Plasma incinerator
. 4x Hellblaster: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

++ Total: [84 PL, 9CP, 1,500pts] ++

Welcome to Dakka and the Ultramarines.

Overall it’s not a bad list, but you are shy on a couple of things.

One is anti tank. You have the hellblasters and some CC options. That’s it. Depending on your opponent, you might feel the pinch there. I’m not saying you need to add enough AV fire to drop a knight in a round, but I think you would have trouble killing a rhino before it had a chance to drive across the table and drop off its cargo.

Your army is fairly static. You do have the warsuits which can forward deploy, but everyone else is footslogging. For missions where you need to shift rapidly to claim objectives, or even just contest them, you are going to lag behind a more mobile force. That said, as Ultras, you should be able to push forward midfield, midgame and dominate the center. Or just gunline. Which you can do as long as you are not going against a stronger gunline list.

Thanks for the input I'm a bit stuck when it comes to AV any units you can suggest that I may want to look at for popping tanks etc?

k3nada wrote:
Thanks for the input I'm a bit stuck when it comes to AV any units you can suggest that I may want to look at for popping tanks etc?

A lot depends on what you like. Generally I lean towards lascannons. But I notice that you are mostly a primaris force, and they are a little scarce on those units. Adding a repulsor would require a fairly major re-work.

Which powers are you putting on your Librarian?

Suggestions:

There's a UM warlord trait that lets you point to a unit in your force within 6" and say "those guys are in Tactical doctrine this turn". If you're using Aggressors I'd say it's almost a mandatory pick.

Speaking of which; I like UM Aggressors but they're a unit people are going to prioritize killing. My experience is that three of them is not enough. At 1000 points I'll put in eight of the buggers and build the whole list around delivering them, or I won't bother.

Unless you have a specific plan for it, the Thunderfire cannon is probably not going to serve you as well as a Whirlwind would.

Nevelon is right that you're going to struggle a bit with anti-tank fire. The Hellblasters are not terribly points efficient in that role, but interestingly enough the math on the Assault Hellblasters is better on practically every target since they don't have to move up to get both shots. You could easily swap them out for Lasfusile Eliminators or Suppressors if you have them. Plasma Inceptors might also be worth a look since you can at least guarantee they'll get a turn of firing at full effect before any of them die.

[edit] What constitutes good anti-tank fire is going to depend some on your local playgroup. What works well on Leman Russ tanks isn't going to work well on Dark Eldar Raiders, and vice-versa. [/edit]

Just one more observation: The Burning Blade is probably not the best use of your free relic on a model that already has a Power Fist and a Master Crafted Power Sword. It would help out your Lieutenant quite a bit though.

Also, don't overlook the option to take an extra relic and put the Master Crafted +1D relic upgrade on your Libby's Force Sword or a Sergeant's weapon via the Honored Sergeants strat. +1D on the Eliminator serge is always good, and making the Aggressor Serg's Boltstorm Gauntlets [shooting] profile a D2 is just kind of gross.

Hi all,

Thanks for the input guys I have taken the recommendations on board and some great ideas I'd never thought of, I wanted Tigurius in there but lacked the points so swapped him out for Cassius - I'll use the normal primaris model for him though because was I hate Cassius figure as is

Here goes let me know what you think

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [26 PL, 6CP, 455pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ Stratagems +

Honoured Sergeant [-1CP]

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of extra Relics

+ HQ +

Captain in Gravis Armor [6 PL, 108pts]: Boltstorm gauntlet, Master of Strategy, Master-crafted power sword, Warlord

Chaplain Cassius [5 PL, 85pts]: 1. Litany of Faith, 5. Recitation of Focus, Litany of Hate

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 86pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 86pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [49 PL, 1CP, 1,044pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Detachment CP [1CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Lieutenants [4 PL, 69pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [5 PL, 111pts]
. 2x Aggressor
. Aggressor Sergeant: Master-Crafted Weapon
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Aggressor Squad [5 PL, 111pts]: 2x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 136pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Twin ironhail autocannon

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Repulsor Executioner [15 PL, 324pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy Laser Destroyer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, 2x Storm bolter, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber

++ Total: [75 PL, 7CP, 1,499pts] ++

I could nit pick about things I’d do differently, but at this point it’s about personal taste, and what your local meta looks like. Seems well balanced and fun.

Courage and Honour!

Not a nitpick; you're paying the extra CP to put relics on two characters but you don't have any relics in your list. Looks better outside of that though.