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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/20/psychic-awakening-consequences/

Well, it was just a matter of time until something like this showed up.

The fact that this short story was released on warhammer community of all sites and is the first official case of Primaris turning traitor - do you guys also think this will lead to Chaos Primaris Marines being a thing in the very near future?

I told you all that if GW thought they could sell you a spiky Primaris they'd try it.

Yes, absolutely. They hinted at this way back a few years ago when they said Fabius was tinkering with captured Primaris.

Especially now that they've sold us all the updated chaos squat marines, we're probably getting traitor Primaris.

Serves me right for buying new Chaos. I should have known better.

As much as the Tau short Story means that human auxilia for Tau are on the way.
So, no. Fabius' upgraded Marines that were in the fluff and rules since forever and are basically Chaos Primaris? Maybe.

The new csm models are not "squats". They're upsized and true scaled. And they follow the traditional character of csm a lot better than chaos primaris would.

Missing combi-weapons for the aspiring champions not withstanding.

Morkphoiz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/20/psychic-awakening-consequences/

Well, it was just a matter of time until something like this showed up.

The fact that this short story was released on warhammer community of all sites and is the first official case of Primaris turning traitor - do you guys also think this will lead to Chaos Primaris Marines being a thing in the very near future?

That didn't read much like primaris going traitor, more like stuff that happened in soviet union block or nazi germany in the 20-50s. The primaris got executed for having the wrong dad.

I really wouldn’t want to see chaos primaris. We already had to go through an edition that downplayed the oriogional traitor legions too much. Getting away from the handful of bitter 10,000 veterans would harm the faction. Plus considering that chaos is a logistical clusterfeth, it would be hard for them to find any spot to crank out primaris like Cawl did. Plus the faction couldn’t maintain their land speeders so all the flying primaris transports are off the table too.


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Plus the primaris didn’t turn so much as defend themselves when threatened.

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
I really wouldn’t want to see chaos primaris. We already had to go through an edition that downplayed the oriogional traitor legions too much. Getting away from the handful of bitter 10,000 veterans would harm the faction. Plus considering that chaos is a logistical clusterfeth, it would be hard for them to find any spot to crank out primaris like Cawl did. Plus the faction couldn’t maintain their land speeders so all the flying primaris transports are off the table too.


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Plus the primaris didn’t turn so much as defend themselves when threatened.

We've already gone through the edition that downplayed the legions? So 9th edition released already? When was this?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
I really wouldn’t want to see chaos primaris. We already had to go through an edition that downplayed the oriogional traitor legions too much. Getting away from the handful of bitter 10,000 veterans would harm the faction. Plus considering that chaos is a logistical clusterfeth, it would be hard for them to find any spot to crank out primaris like Cawl did. Plus the faction couldn’t maintain their land speeders so all the flying primaris transports are off the table too.


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Plus the primaris didn’t turn so much as defend themselves when threatened.

We've already gone through the edition that downplayed the legions? So 9th edition released already? When was this?

He means 4-7 i guess...

It's not a Chaos Primaris story.

I actually don't see GW doing Traitor Primaris as a range. There's enough room to expand Chaos without doing Loyalist -1

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
I really wouldn’t want to see chaos primaris. We already had to go through an edition that downplayed the oriogional traitor legions too much. Getting away from the handful of bitter 10,000 veterans would harm the faction. Plus considering that chaos is a logistical clusterfeth, it would be hard for them to find any spot to crank out primaris like Cawl did. Plus the faction couldn’t maintain their land speeders so all the flying primaris transports are off the table too.


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Plus the primaris didn’t turn so much as defend themselves when threatened.

We've already gone through the edition that downplayed the legions? So 9th edition released already? When was this?

He means 4-7 i guess...

Traitor Legions did just as much for the legions as Faith and Fury did. In fact, most of Faith and Fury was recycled from Traitor Legions. And 4th was ok as long as you could use 3.5.

And don't forget 7th gave us IA 13.

R&H ain't csm and the Legion supplement came pretty Late aswell

Not Online!!! wrote:
R&H ain't csm and the Legion supplement came pretty Lage aswell

No, but the legions got infernal relics. And pa feels like too little too late compared to what loyalists got.

I hope not. Primaris are planned obsolescence and I hope they don't become the new business plan for GW.

Oh joy.

So after 8th was already flooded with endless Primaris releases, we can now look forward to endless Chaos Primaris releases.

 vipoid wrote:
Oh joy.

So after 8th was already flooded with endless Primaris releases, we can now look forward to endless Chaos Primaris releases.

Yes! GW can just re-release all the Primaris Lts - now with a spiky sprue included.

Makes me want to paint up some primaris as Brazen Drakes.

If we at least get the equivalent of Chaos Primaris, I don't want to see just simply bigger CSM, but stuff mirroring that flesh-metal look of the Dark Vengeance Chosen. If Primaris are supposed to represent an Imperium gradually taking on a more rationalistic and less superstitious approach to warfare, then their Chaos counterparts should be Chaos to the extreme, looking like an even more corrupt version of the Death Guard. Instead of having new organs, they could have semi-daemonic creatures lodged inside of them that both give them greater powers and make them even more insane. Fabius' first major experiment on 'improving' the Emperor's work was to install alien technology inside of them to allow them to scream their opponents to death, so his New Men should be twisted as all hell and be Chaos incarnate.

Fabius should not have Chaos anything. Chaos should have enhanced humans as his main thing.

But I have wanted basically daemon weapon imperial guard for ages. Things like stubbers that are enhanced by demon magic.

I don't want chaos primaris or mutant csm. Some legions aren't full of mutants.

pm713 wrote:
Fabius should not have Chaos anything. Chaos should have enhanced humans as his main thing.

But I have wanted basically daemon weapon imperial guard for ages. Things like stubbers that are enhanced by demon magic.

You mean malefic ammunition?

Maybe? I don't know what that is.

What I was thinking is based on the demon weapons. If you put a major chaos demon in things they turn into amazing weapons so logically a weak demon could be used for mass producing weapons that are just above average.

Malefic ammounition was ammo in apoc for heavy bolters that was quite devastating if i remember right.

While i agree that GW wouldnt shy on doing a range for purely financial reasons (especially after covid 19), i doubt you'll see chaos primaris a minute after they completely redesigned the CSM range.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Malefic ammounition was ammo in apoc for heavy bolters that was quite devastating if i remember right.

It gave them rending. Some units could get them on auto-cannons as well as heavy bolters.

Plus considering that chaos is a logistical clusterfeth, it would be hard for them to find any spot to crank out primaris like Cawl did.

Always confuses me when people say things like this. Makes me think they haven't actually read much chaos fluff. Cawl needed one part of one world to produce what he produced. The Red Corsairs alone could do this. Let alone the fact that Legions like the Death Guard have multiple stable worlds within the Eye that could be used for it, then there's all the Dark Mechanicus and Iron Warrior Forge Worlds (both in the Eye and in real-space), and they have more than enough resources to set aside for something like this. In some cases, it could even be argued that their locations could potentially be even MORE secure.

That said, probably what we're getting (as someone else mentioned), is just the new rules for Fabulous Bill and the Boys. The same squad that was originally packaged with him all those editions ago and that we've had rules for since, what? second or third? I can't remember now.

Only thing I love about this story is the memes.

"golden banana"

I see it more as a renegade decision rather than a "planned" fall.

Custodes word is law
captain questions it
custodes do what they do so well

since a 100% loyal Primaris wouldnt question the word of BiggiE, the only possible outcome would have been summary execution. The fact that the Brazen Drakes would then give an order to the fleet further illustrates it. Whether they turned now or 300yrs later, same outcome. Just this time a Custode was able to intervene by chopping the head off the snake.

But the opposite view is valid as well, hell it might even be both.

Personally, I like the idea of renegade primaris over falling to chaos. Bile making an unholy concoction of primaris geneseed is far more intriguing & gives GW more freedom to do some genecrafting. All the while separating CSM from being just spikey versions of the Imperium.

Look at the greater possesed from shadowspear, pretty cool and would certainly be cool if they expanded on that design pathway.