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Hey guys,

I'm making my own Ultima Founding space wolves, but I have a few questions...

As a successor chapter, would they have the same amount of companies as normal chapters, so around 10?
Or do successors start off smaller?

Seeming that they probably haven't been let loose all that long, even though they are space wolves I'd imagine they'd be somewhat codex compliant?.. ( For awhile.)

Would they do their own thing completely or would they still answer to the Space Wolves?
Would they just kinda be absorbed into the space wolves as they aren't codex compliant?

.. And if they would operate like a full chapter (10 companies or 12 in the case of SW) would there be a Wolf Lord for every company and one Chapter Master?
.. Also, would all companies be well rounded or would you have companies specialising in stealth, tanks etc. I guess that's more of a preference choice?

Sorry for all the questions but thanks in advance!

Jamstrap

Can't speak for Space Wolves, but a vanilla successor chapter starts off at the standard size.

Ok.. So that would mean 10 companies, each with 100 men?

Yeah, that's the standard size. Does beg the question of why that would matter though. I've got ... 9,000ish points of Vanilla Marines and I've only filled out two and a half companies.

Oh it's mainly for my head canon.. Build a back story. And maybe if I have multiple wolf Lords they could be from different companies etc.

I would guess that it could be as literally big as you want it.

Guilliman isn't sticking hard and fast to the 1k guys rule with the Primaris anyway, and it's not like the Space Wolves were even pretending to care in the first place, so I doubt their successors would either.


And of course, they can keep making their own new Primaris after the initial delivery, so the only thing really stopping them from growing uncontrollably would be attrition from losses.


I imagine a Primaris Space Wolves Successor pattering themselves off their parent for their TO&E: Probably 12 [+ an honorary empty one for any Wulfen packs they pick up along the way, since a Primaris SW Successor are still Space Wolves and can still collect Wulfen when they appear as well as have some of their aspirants devolve] great companies each with a wolf lord, that's as big as the wolf lord wants it to be. Honoring the heritage is important for Space Marines, and the Space Wolves are extra heritage-happy.

Lore Wise, you'd have access to any Primaris units, plus Wulfen and Fenrisian Wolves, but would not have access to any non-Primaris Marine-Marines. Theoretically, you could have Marine tanks if you wanted to, since tanks are tanks and the only issue is the chair being the wrong size [and maybe the commander bonking his head on the hatch when buttoned] and the Space Wolves had traditionally be pretty "We don't care, make that field modification if it works" about the whole sanctity of the STC. [We invented the Annihilator Predator after all, and back retrofitted it to Deimos Predators]

That's a great reply, thank you!

One last question though.. Lore wise how often would two or more Wolf Lords be on the same battlefield?

So, a reasoning as to why I'd have more than one on the tabletop. Like I said it's just curiosity, I know gameplay it doesn't matter.

Jamstrap wrote:
That's a great reply, thank you!

One last question though.. Lore wise how often would two or more Wolf Lords be on the same battlefield?

So, a reasoning as to why I'd have more than one on the tabletop. Like I said it's just curiosity, I know gameplay it doesn't matter.

Whenever two or more great companies are deployed to a warzone.

Given that the Wolf Lords have above-average autonomy in where their Great Companies go, these odds are pretty high.

Agreed. 2 Wolf Lords and their companies would be perfectly justified if facing a larger threat. 40K games aren't necessarily supposed to represent an entire battle-front. They may represent just the crucial engagment of a bigger warzone and as such, having the key commanders on both sides weighing in makes sense.

Another justification (if you want one) is that one Great Company has suffered severe losses and has been assigned to support another while it rebuilds its strength.

The Space Wolves Psychic awakening book specifically mentions Erik Morkai ’ s Great Company being reinforced by a strike force of Blackmanes led by Ragnar.

One thing to consider though is that Wolf Lords head up space wolf companies but space wolf companies are the size of other Astartes chapters, so likely a primaris successor of average chapter size would only have 1 Wolf Lord.

 Aftersong wrote:
One thing to consider though is that Wolf Lords head up space wolf companies but space wolf companies are the size of other Astartes chapters, so likely a primaris successor of average chapter size would only have 1 Wolf Lord.

They're not really that big.

IIRC the SW were like 3-5k strong, so with 12 GC there's like 2-4 times as many people per Great Company than a regular Company.

And, each Great Company is pretty close to autonomous, so if more than one Wolf Lord want to show up in a warzone, then there are more than one Great Company there, even if it's more Space Wolves than strictly necessary. It doesn't matter how many forces are "justified" by the threat level or by somebody outside the Chapter structure in Imperial Command, it matters how many Space Wolves want go to fight there.

 Aftersong wrote:
One thing to consider though is that Wolf Lords head up space wolf companies but space wolf companies are the size of other Astartes chapters, so likely a primaris successor of average chapter size would only have 1 Wolf Lord.

no they're not. not sure where this myth comes from but we've had run downs on the Blackmanes since 5th edition at LEAST. AND THEY'VE ONLY BEEN ABOUT 120-150 STRONG