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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 19:17:37
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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In Faith and Fury each Marine chapter got a specific litany. "All <CHAPTER> CHAPLAINS...in a Space Marines Detachment...know litanies from their respective Chapter."
There is a strat called "Master of Sanctity" that can be played on a CHAPLAIN model.
The Chaplain Venerable Dreadought has the keywords <CHAPTER> and CHAPLAIN VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT.
Does it know the chapter specific litany?
Can it be selected as a target for the Master of Sanctity stratagem?
I'll also give an example of how GW uses keywords:
In the Imperial Fists supplement there's a relic that can only be given to a IMPERIAL FISTS ANCIENT. There is no datasheet that has the keyword "<CHAPTER > ANCIENT" although there are several that have the several keywords "<CHAPTER>" and "ANCIENT."
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LVO 2017 - Best GK Player
The Grimdark Future 8500 1500  6000 2000 5000
"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 19:32:18
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Assuming there is no comma between”CHAPLAIN” and “VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT” I’d interpret it as not applying. There is a similar question discussed in the thread on TAUROX PRIME vs TAUROX.
Probably best to discuss with your opponent/tournament organiser though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 20:27:48
Subject: Re:Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Lieutenant General
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From the Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought datasheet from Index Forces of the Adeptus Astartes:
KEYWORDS: VEHICLE, CHARACTER, DREADNOUGHT, CHAPLAIN VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT
Aash is correct. The Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought does not have the CHAPLAIN keyword, it instead has the CHAPLAIN VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT keyword.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 20:30:08
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Norn Queen
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Elric Greywolf wrote:In Faith and Fury each Marine chapter got a specific litany. "All <CHAPTER> CHAPLAINS...in a Space Marines Detachment...know litanies from their respective Chapter." There is a strat called "Master of Sanctity" that can be played on a CHAPLAIN model. The Chaplain Venerable Dreadought has the keywords <CHAPTER> and CHAPLAIN VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT. Does it know the chapter specific litany? Can it be selected as a target for the Master of Sanctity stratagem? I'll also give an example of how GW uses keywords: In the Imperial Fists supplement there's a relic that can only be given to a IMPERIAL FISTS ANCIENT. There is no datasheet that has the keyword " <CHAPTER > ANCIENT" although there are several that have the several keywords " <CHAPTER>" and " ANCIENT."
The Chaplain Venerable Dreadnought does not have the CHAPLAIN keyword. Keywords are comma separated. IMPERIAL FISTS is a single keyword, not two keywords of IMPERIAL and FIST. The Relic from the Imperial Fists supplement is looking for two different keywords, IMPERIAL FISTS and ANCIENT. Is the keyword system intuitive and botched? Yes, but it still functions (barely).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 20:31:59
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Can someone explain my example of keywords then? There is no unit that has IMPERIAL FISTS ANCIENT or <CHAPTER> ANCIENT as a keyword.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/05/16 20:32:40
LVO 2017 - Best GK Player
The Grimdark Future 8500 1500  6000 2000 5000
"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 20:34:03
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Norn Queen
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Elric Greywolf wrote:Can someone explain my example of keywords then? There is no unit that has IMPERIAL FISTS ANCIENT or <CHAPTER> ANCIENT as a keyword.
Because it's looking for two keywords, much as something looking for <CHAPTER> BIKER is looking for something that is both <CHAPTER> and BIKER. There was an FAQ in the "Starting a New Edition" document that clarified this but that FAQ no longer exists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 20:46:43
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Lieutenant General
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BaconCatBug wrote: Elric Greywolf wrote:Can someone explain my example of keywords then? There is no unit that has IMPERIAL FISTS ANCIENT or <CHAPTER> ANCIENT as a keyword.
Because it's looking for two keywords, much as something looking for <CHAPTER> BIKER is looking for something that is both <CHAPTER> and BIKER. There was an FAQ in the "Starting a New Edition" document that clarified this but that FAQ no longer exists.
Specifically it's looking for a Faction Keyword and a Keyword.
EDIT: The 'Stepping Into a New Edition' document can still be found in the sticy thread at the top of the forum.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 22:06:50
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Norn Queen
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Ghaz wrote:EDIT: The 'Stepping Into a New Edition' document can still be found in the sticy thread at the top of the forum.
Yes, it still exists, but it's not on the FAQ page any more, much like the V1 SM FAQ isn't there or the CA18 FAQ isn't there or the 1.1 BRB Update isn't there any more. I don't think it's really fair or correct to say FAQs not on the FAQ page still exist. That being said, it was a clarification, not a rule change, so there is no difference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/05/16 22:41:02
Subject: Master of Sanctity on a Dread?
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Lieutenant General
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BaconCatBug wrote: Ghaz wrote:EDIT: The 'Stepping Into a New Edition' document can still be found in the sticy thread at the top of the forum.
Yes, it still exists, but it's not on the FAQ page any more, much like the V1 SM FAQ isn't there or the CA18 FAQ isn't there or the 1.1 BRB Update isn't there any more. I don't think it's really fair or correct to say FAQs not on the FAQ page still exist.
That being said, it was a clarification, not a rule change, so there is no difference.
I was not saying anything about whether or not it's valid, just that it's still available. I'm sure Elric can decide for himself the validity of the document.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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