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When you deploy fortifications in your deployment zone, can they be placed atop an objective? I don't mean for it to hold the objective, or to hide the objective, but that that the infantry inside it be able to hold the objective on ground floor.

Specifically, I want to place a battle sanctum.

Not addressed by the rules.

If models are embarked in something like an Imperial Bastion then they are not considered to be on the table and so they cannot hold objectives. However, the Battle Sanctum essentially acts as area terrain, so if there were models 'inside' it at ground level then I don't see any problem with them them holding an objective.

I think it would get pretty unfair if you were using the Battle Sanctum to obstruct enemy models from reaching the objective but this interaction is not covered by the rules themselves.

cjmate8 wrote:When you deploy fortifications in your deployment zone, can they be placed atop an objective?

Yes, thats possible. A fortification can be a unit from your army. Its like an immobile transport. The battle sanctum however is treated as terrain once it is set up.

Bilge Rat wrote:If models are embarked in something like an Imperial Bastion then they are not considered to be on the table and so they cannot hold objectives. However, the Battle Sanctum essentially acts as area terrain, so if there were models 'inside' it at ground level then I don't see any problem with them them holding an objective.

The imperial bastion would hold an objective, because its a unit from your army, its an immobile transport. Its not big enough to cover the 3" radius around the center of the marker. Any fortification big enough to do so would block enemy models from reaching the marker. Its perfectly legal to place a unit of your army on a marker. The fortification can be destroyed, and then its removed, or counts as terrain, allowing anyone access to the marker.

Bilge Rat wrote:
I think it would get pretty unfair if you were using the Battle Sanctum to obstruct enemy models from reaching the objective but this interaction is not covered by the rules themselves.

the battle sanctums rules are clear and infantry can go straight through to grab your objective like an objective in a ruin. Sure it creates a barrier to vehicles that have to go round the long way but thats half the reason you take a battle sanctum

 p5freak wrote:

Bilge Rat wrote:
I think it would get pretty unfair if you were using the Battle Sanctum to obstruct enemy models from reaching the objective but this interaction is not covered by the rules themselves.

I dont think you place terrain in a way that it would prevent enemy models from reaching the objective. Any units, from both players, can be placed inside terrain.

Rules as written the Battle Sanctum should not prevent any models from gaining access, but in reality the Sanctum has giant, solid walls and it would be silly for tanks to drive through them. Also, you could potentially have a situation where a large vehicle didn't have enough movement to make it through without ending its move 'inside' the wall. The model cannot physically fit there so it is not allowed.

Thats not true RAW only infantry are given permission to move through battle sanctum walls

While only infantry beasts swarms and fly keywords have permission to end there turn on the upper levels

Its very specific. If you do not have a rule giving you permission you cannot.

U02dah4 wrote:
Thats not true RAW only infantry are given permission to move through battle sanctum walls

While only infantry beasts swarms and fly keywords have permission to end there turn on the upper levels

Its very specific. If you do not have a rule giving you permission you cannot.

EDIT: looking at the rules again, it does mention infantry moving through walls, so I guess that implies that the intention is that nothing else can. They really could have made that much clearer.

 Bilge Rat wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Thats not true RAW only infantry are given permission to move through battle sanctum walls

While only infantry beasts swarms and fly keywords have permission to end there turn on the upper levels

Its very specific. If you do not have a rule giving you permission you cannot.

EDIT: looking at the rules again, it does mention infantry moving through walls, so I guess that implies that the intention is that nothing else can. They really could have made that much clearer.

Movement rules say that non infantry, non fly units, must move up terrain, move across, then move down again, unless a special rules says otherwise. This means that a rhino, touching the terrain with its front, wanting to go inside a terrain piece with 10" high walls, needs to move 25", 10" up, 10" down, and 5" of its own length. Thats not possible.

 Bilge Rat wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Thats not true RAW only infantry are given permission to move through battle sanctum walls

While only infantry beasts swarms and fly keywords have permission to end there turn on the upper levels

Its very specific. If you do not have a rule giving you permission you cannot.

EDIT: looking at the rules again, it does mention infantry moving through walls, so I guess that implies that the intention is that nothing else can. They really could have made that much clearer.

It's copy&paste of ruins. So yes tanks and monsters have to go around it to reach. And if there's ruins/etc on sides that could be long way to get by. Of course this can bite yourself too. Last game I realized I could not put exorcist into ruins for 2+ without screwing LOS of it AND making very hard to get around for better LOS due to precisely having to go around not just sanctum itself but also ruins that were nearby( actually struggled to find any spot where sanctum reach which doesn't result in such bottleneck...That thing is HUGE and boards here have plenty of ruins etc scattered around)

However it does not say ruins so if you have house rule "ruins block LOS 1st floor" that doesn't apply to sanctum.

The key thing though with battle sanctum is while its rules are copy and paste ruins however its not a ruin so no ITC ground floor LoS blocking