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So any Battle forges army led by bile that has the experiments of bile faction/legion keyword gets +1 movement and +1 strength. This is a pretty big buff to be able to give to a whole army. Surely Bile is going to be about 300 points now?

Warp talons etc will be awesome. I am assuming this only applies to CSM codex units that haven’t got a fixed legion keyword?

Cultists at so cheap and now would be as strong as an SM so they must be worth getting a hoard of them into close combat?

I do not painting than playing so not sure how well I’m interpreting this.

Also it’s a shame some of the stratagems can’t be used for cultists as FB loves doing experiments on humans.

Cultists don't profit from the trait.
CSM with + 1 are irrelevant.
It's the bikers that profit the most out of it and all other movement shenanigan capable units.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Cultists don't profit from the trait.
CSM with + 1 are irrelevant.
It's the bikers that profit the most out of it and all other movement shenanigan capable units.

Why is +1 strength and movement irrelevant

Because it's for unit that sucks. Soft unit easily removed that doesnt' hit that hard even then.

And 9th ed is even more hostile to basic infantry.

I got rid of most of my CSM stuff early on in the edition, going all in on Death Guard, so I have some hope that Biles Creations give me an excuse to bring out this motley collection of ugly old CSMs, Raptors and Oblits I have left.... but whatever. It's either that or sit in the dust bin a while longer.

I hope Spawn get a buff. I have a bunch of those left from 7th edition.

tneva82 wrote:
Because it's for unit that sucks. Soft unit easily removed that doesnt' hit that hard even then.

And 9th ed is even more hostile to basic infantry.

But for any unit that can get in close, quick, it’s gotta be Gods right and posed marines will have strength 6

It's a useless buff for an army that has little in the way to get to melee in the first place.


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For that reason alone, Alpha Legion is still the beat melee Legion. Kinda ironic when you think about it.

Sorry, why are alpha legion best at melee?

Also why wouldn’t this rule apply to cultists? Also what wouldn’t it apply to a vemoncrawler etc. I thought that this worked of the legion key word and creations of bile was a new legion keyword.

Have missed the point entirely?

mrFickle wrote:Sorry, why are alpha legion best at melee?

Also why wouldn’t this rule apply to cultists? Also what wouldn’t it apply to a vemoncrawler etc. I thought that this worked of the legion key word and creations of bile was a new legion keyword.

Have missed the point entirely?

Slayer-Fan thinks Alpha Legion is best at everything because they have the best legion trait. Csm legion traits only apply to infantry, bikers, and dreadnoughts. No cultists or daemon engines. Bile's legion trait is worded just like all the other legions traits are in the csm codex, so no change there. Cultists don't get legion traits because of the "mere mortals" rule.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:It's a useless buff for an army that has little in the way to get to melee in the first place.


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For that reason alone, Alpha Legion is still the beat melee Legion. Kinda ironic when you think about it.

Right. It obviously wouldn't be the legion with all the strategems that help get deep striking units into combat, shut down enemy auras, and allow units to fall back and charge in the same turn. And of course the best anti-fallback strategem in the game.

mrFickle wrote:
Sorry, why are alpha legion best at melee?

Also why wouldn’t this rule apply to cultists? Also what wouldn’t it apply to a vemoncrawler etc. I thought that this worked of the legion key word and creations of bile was a new legion keyword.

Have missed the point entirely?

Alpha Legion are the best at melee because they have access to all the same melee stuff other Legions have but actually have the Strats to ensure you survive getting there. Nobody was running Word Bearers Possessed Bomb despite them having Strats that directly affect them. Nobody was running Emperors Children or World Eaters Possessed bombs. None of them are making the best use of Disco Lords.

You could have a World Eaters model that gets ten attacks on the charge and it would strictly still be worse than Alpha Legion simply because World Eaters cannot deliver.

I suspect his main use will be helping possessed get into combat and do more when there, on standard marines it's ok but not great

Alpha Legion are the best at melee because they have access to all the same melee stuff other Legions have but actually have the Strats to ensure you survive getting there. Nobody was running Word Bearers Possessed Bomb despite them having Strats that directly affect them. Nobody was running Emperors Children or World Eaters Possessed bombs. None of them are making the best use of Disco Lords.

You could have a World Eaters model that gets ten attacks on the charge and it would strictly still be worse than Alpha Legion simply because World Eaters cannot deliver.

While it may seem completely counter-intuitive, Slayer-Fan is correct. Alpha Legion's ability to be sneaky and get close safely, over-rides the fact that other factions might be stronger once they actually get there. That berzerker lord with 9 million attacks doesn't mean much when he's casually shot dead on turn 1 because he lacks any kind of reliable, points efficient delivery system.

Unfortunately, GW tends to design melee units as though they are starting the game in combat, rather than addressing the fact that they have to wade through a massive volume of fire to get there ...

I suspect his main use will be helping possessed get into combat and do more when there, on standard marines it's ok but not great

Yeah, adding him to a Possessed Bomb army is interesting. Kind of. For such a cool model with such a cool background, he's always been a bit lack-luster. I was hoping for a little more than this.

Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13


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Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13

mrFickle wrote:
Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13


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Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13

Because he gives them a movement of 8, no one said it was more than that

 Huron black heart wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13


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Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13

Because he gives them a movement of 8, no one said it was more than that

Doesn't his faction also have an Advance+Charge strat? So like 21" average threat radius on the now smaller board. Then +1S and he can roll on his enhancement chart to give them another bonus too.

Audustum wrote:

 Huron black heart wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13


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Apart from the fact that possessed will have movement of 8 how does he help get them into close combat?

Surely warp talons will be a shoe in, 2 attacks, +1 strength re roll wounds and ap -1. And low orbit deployment and now movement of 13

Because he gives them a movement of 8, no one said it was more than that

Doesn't his faction also have an Advance+Charge strat? So like 21" average threat radius on the now smaller board. Then +1S and he can roll on his enhancement chart to give them another bonus too.

Yes and his assistant allows you to add 1 or minus 1 to the buff role so you can choose. So you can buff the slower moving units and the advance fast attack are already buffed. Plus he can regain quit a few wounds every round


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I suspect his main use will be helping possessed get into combat and do more when there, on standard marines it's ok but not great

Yeah, adding him to a Possessed Bomb army is interesting. Kind of. For such a cool model with such a cool background, he's always been a bit lack-luster. I was hoping for a little more than this.