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An army in pondering for apocalypse size games. I could only think of a list hitting 3777 though.C & C welcome!

{Super Heavy Auxiliary Detachment}

• Gorgon Heavy Transport [304 Points]
- Gorgon Mortar (2)
- Heavy Stubber (2)
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{Brigade Detachment}

<HQ>
• Death Korps Marshal Karis Venner [59 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Power Sword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Marshal [41 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Power Sword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Field Officer [27 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Power Sword

<Heavy Support>
Death Korps Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Battle Tank Squadron [499 Points Total]
• Death Korps Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Battle Tank [170 Points Total]
- Battle Cannon
- Heavy Flamers (2)
- Heavy Stubber
• Death Korps Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Battle Tank [170 Points Total]
- Battle Cannon
- Heavy Flamers (2)
- Heavy Stubber
• Death Korps Leman Russ Mars-Alpha Vanquisher [159 Points Total]
- Vanquisher Battle Cannon
- Coaxial Heavy Stubber
- Plasma Cannon (2)
- Heavy Stubber
*Tank Ace - Up-Armoured [-1 CP]

Death Korps Heavy Weapon Squad [60 Points Total]
• Death Korps Heavy Weapon Teams (3)
- Missile Launcher (3)

Hydra Squadron [186 Points Total]
• Hydra
- Hydra Quad Autocannon
- Heavy Bolter
• Hydra
- Hydra Quad Autocannon
- Heavy Bolter

Colossus Bombard Squadron [480 Pts. Total]
• Colossus Bombard (3)
- Colossus Siege Mortar (3)
- Heavy Bolter (3)
- Heavy Stubber (3)

Earthshaker Carriage Battery Squadron [363 Points Total]
• Earthshaker Carriage Battery (3)
- Earthshaker Cannon
• Guardsmen Crew (12)
- Lasguns
- Frag / Krak Grenades
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<Infantry>

• Death Korps Grenadier Squad (10) [87 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Lasguns
- Vox Caster
- Heavy Stubber
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Chainsword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Grenadier Squad (10) [87 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Lasguns
- Vox Caster
- Heavy Stubber
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Chainsword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Grenadier Squad (10) [87 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Lasguns
- Vox Caster
- Heavy Stubber
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Chainsword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Grenadier Squad (10) [87 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Lasguns
- Vox Caster
- Heavy Stubber
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Chainsword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Grenadier Squad (10) [87 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Lasguns
- Vox Caster
- Heavy Stubber
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Chainsword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Grenadier Squad (10) [87 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Lasguns
- Vox Caster
- Heavy Stubber
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Chainsword
- Frag / Krak Grenades
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<Elites>

• Death Korps Commissar [39 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Power Sword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Commissar [39 Points Total]
- Hot-Shot Laspistol
- Power Sword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

• Death Korps Death Rider Commissar [44 Points Total]
- Plasma Pistol
- Power Sword
- Frag / Krak Grenades

Death Korps Combat Engineers Squad
• Death Korps Combat Engineers (10) [106 Points Total]
- Krieg Shotgun (8)
- Mole Launcher
- Chainsword
- Demolition Charge
- Vox Caster

Death Korps Combat Engineers Squad [106 Points]
• Death Korps Combat Engineers (10)
- Krieg Shotgun (8)
- Mole Launcher
- Chainsword
- Demolition Charge
- Vox Caster

Death Korps Combat Engineers Squad [106 Points]
• Death Korps Combat Engineers (10)
- Krieg Shotgun (8)
- Mole Launcher
- Chainsword
- Demolition Charge
- Vox Caster

Death Korps Command Squad
• Death Korps Veteran (4) [50 Points Total]
- Lasguns
- Flamers (2)
- Platoon Standard
- Vox Caster

Death Korps Command Squad
• Death Korps Veteran (4) [50 Points Total]
- Lasguns
- Flamers (2)
- Regimental Standard
- Vox Caster
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<Fast Attack>
Death Korps Death Rider Squadron [82 Points Total]
• Death Korps Death Riders (5)
- Laspistol
- Power Sword
- Death Korps Hunting Lance (4)
- Frag / Krak Grenades

Death Korps Death Rider Squadron [82 Points Total]
• Death Korps Death Riders (5)
- Laspistol
- Power Sword
- Death Korps Hunting Lance (4)
- Frag / Krak Grenades

Death Korps Death Rider Squadron [82 Points Total]
• Death Korps Death Riders (5)
- Laspistol
- Power Sword
- Death Korps Hunting Lance (4)
- Frag / Krak Grenades
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<Dedicated Transports>

• Death Korps Centaur Light Assault Carrier [50 Points Total]
- Heavy Stubber (2)

• Death Korps Centaur Light Assault Carrier [50 Points Total]
- Heavy Stubber (2)

• Death Korps Centaur Light Assault Carrier [50 Points Total]
- Heavy Stubber (2)

• Trojan Support Vehicle [98 Points Total]
- Heavy Bolter

• Trojan Support Vehicle [98 Points Total]
- Heavy Bolter

• Trojan Support Vehicle [98 Points Total]
- Heavy Bolter

no brainer !

+2 basilisks!
then you have only 7 points remaining, enough for 3 heavy stubbers sprinkled on your 3 trojan support vehicles (a lower priority target, I think, that will be in a position to use them).

Dukeofstuff wrote:
no brainer !

+2 basilisks!
then you have only 7 points remaining, enough for 3 heavy stubbers sprinkled on your 3 trojan support vehicles (a lower priority target, I think, that will be in a position to use them).

That’s one of the issues, I’m out of spots in the heavy support slot

If your 3 missle launcher group of heavy weap squads were gone...
If you got griffins, 3 of them would work really nicely, think of it as a really, really heavy weapons squad of mortars!
If not, 2 basilisks in a squad + an extra command slot officer, maybe would get you to 4k.

The issue with griffins is they don’t have the penetration to deal with stronger armor

That may be true, but they do have the "hidden" free pen of ignoring cover. In some instances that's better than ap-2 because for example a sisters army would ignore -2 and still get down to 2+ with the cover bonus -- but against a griffin its ignroing ap-1 and no cover, saves on a 3+, which is basically the same effect as negating the superpower that the valer. sisters tribe has.

Against things like eliminators or scouts, they positively shine, and sure, they are firing uphill if its against enemy heavy armor, but used against intermediate assets, they have a clear range where s6 is good enough to effect on a 3+, where -1 ap and no cover gives you good odds of effecting a lot of the targets (or forcing them onto invuln) and where d3 damage is decent.

You could take 2 basilisk instead of 3 griffin, of course, but I think they actually have a sort of a nice role in that they are also a lot more resilient (33 wounds of t7) than 2 basilisk (22w of t6 armor).

So yeah, I agree, but they can be useful, even so.