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In 8th, I was frustrated by how difficult it was to field drukhari, craftworlders, and harlies as ynnari in the same army thanks to the special character tax and the cost of non-drukhari troops. Based on what we know so far, does anyone have thoughts on how best to field all three main branches of the aeldari as "ynnari"? I like that the troop tax doesn't have to be so much of a thing, but the hit to CP for taking three detachments might be rough. Especially as my games are normally 1500 points.

I'm not too particular about whether the actual ynnari rules are used or not, but it would be nice to see all three main factions and maybe a ynnari character in the same list.

Wyldhunt wrote:
In 8th, I was frustrated by how difficult it was to field drukhari, craftworlders, and harlies as ynnari in the same army thanks to the special character tax and the cost of non-drukhari troops. Based on what we know so far, does anyone have thoughts on how best to field all three main branches of the aeldari as "ynnari"? I like that the troop tax doesn't have to be so much of a thing, but the hit to CP for taking three detachments might be rough. Especially as my games are normally 1500 points.

I'm not too particular about whether the actual ynnari rules are used or not, but it would be nice to see all three main factions and maybe a ynnari character in the same list.

Honestly, wait for Ynnari faction rules amendment, they might change again.

Personally if i were to change Ynnari i would allow all 3 factions to be in the same detachment just as <reborn> keyword, but limit all datasheets to 1 use one (Rule of 1 basically), a larger list of things you can not take, ally the new named characters that went to ynnari (Jain, Lelith, etc..) and finally alter the points just for Ynnari as needed.

One of the things I'm hoping for this edition is actual Ynnari units, that way Eldar players of any stripe don't have to be as concerned as some players are that our best units are going to be taken away from our lists and be added to the Ynnari.

Specifically, I'd like to see Corsairs and Exodites brought in via Ynnari. It's a way for GW to explore these factions without investing upfront in a full range.

To answer your question, it is possible to use all three factions in one detachment IF you make it a Ynnari detachment. Most people just don't, because the other Eldar faction lose so much more by cutting their ties with their Kabal/ Cult/ Craftworld/ Troupe than any of them get back for joining Ynnari. In 9th, of course, it will also be a huge CP bonus if you stick to a single detachment.

Ynnari really should just get a seperate points list at this point, GW finds ballance hard enough.
But from a game design point it was a bit stupid for them to try it the way they did.
Tieing a faction to special charecter tax is a bit meh, But taking that away removes the faction identity as well.

Amishprn86 wrote:

Wyldhunt wrote:
In 8th, I was frustrated by how difficult it was to field drukhari, craftworlders, and harlies as ynnari in the same army thanks to the special character tax and the cost of non-drukhari troops. Based on what we know so far, does anyone have thoughts on how best to field all three main branches of the aeldari as "ynnari"? I like that the troop tax doesn't have to be so much of a thing, but the hit to CP for taking three detachments might be rough. Especially as my games are normally 1500 points.

I'm not too particular about whether the actual ynnari rules are used or not, but it would be nice to see all three main factions and maybe a ynnari character in the same list.

Honestly, wait for Ynnari faction rules amendment, they might change again.

Personally if i were to change Ynnari i would allow all 3 factions to be in the same detachment just as <reborn> keyword, but limit all datasheets to 1 use one (Rule of 1 basically), a larger list of things you can not take, ally the new named characters that went to ynnari (Jain, Lelith, etc..) and finally alter the points just for Ynnari as needed.

I'd love that. It would minimize the benefits of cherry picking efficient units and make it easy to field all the major factions together.

PenitentJake wrote:
Specifically, I'd like to see Corsairs and Exodites brought in via Ynnari. It's a way for GW to explore these factions without investing upfront in a full range.

Absolutely! It would be easy to toss out a "dragon prince" and "exodite dragon knights" kit and then flesh it out whenever they feel like coming back to it, for instance. You could even get obscure and do white seers if you really wanted to.

To answer your question, it is possible to use all three factions in one detachment IF you make it a Ynnari detachment. Most people just don't, because the other Eldar faction lose so much more by cutting their ties with their Kabal/ Cult/ Craftworld/ Troupe than any of them get back for joining Ynnari. In 9th, of course, it will also be a huge CP bonus if you stick to a single detachment.

Are you saying it's possible to field a "Ynnari" detachment in 9th? In 8th, the Battle Brothers rule prevents it.

Apple fox wrote:Ynnari really should just get a seperate points list at this point, GW finds ballance hard enough.
But from a game design point it was a bit stupid for them to try it the way they did.

If ynnari benefits remain similar to what they are now (situationally count as charging and even more situationally getting +1 to hit), then I'm not sure a second points cost is really needed. That made more sense when Strength From Death granted bonus actions, but the current version is basically on par with an inefficient build your own subfaction option. The psychic powers are fine but generally less good than what craftworlders and harlies get in their own books. Same with the strats; there are a couple good ones, but nothing amazing. Plus, you currently give up access to exarch powers and (I think?) the new harlequin character options.

Is there still a reason to have a different points cost for ynnari units? If anything, wouldn't it kind of make sense to give them a points drop?

Tieing a faction to special charecter tax is a bit meh, But taking that away removes the faction identity as well.

I like the ynnari named characters just fine, but in my eyes, the "family reunion" angle was a bigger part of the appeal than any one of the characters alone. I like having the option to field the ynnari characters, but I don't feel I'd lose a lot of the faction identity by not including them. Heck, look at all the fights in the ynnari novels where Meleniel (spelling) and his dracon buddy are doing their own thing with no Yvraine in sight.

Atm, Ynnari have one of the worst rules out there in the 40k universe.
If the rule change for the better, I will be inclined to consider them.

Reading PA I am getting the feeling GW is laying the groundwork for a proper Ynnari release and Codex. Spoilers: Even Pariah explicitly mentions that Ephrael Stern has made contact with the Ynnari for some future plan. Ynnari has now been mentioned enough that they are being built up to be a player in the universe.

We also have the first PA release talking about Ynnari and releasing Ynnari heads for Howling Banshees. My guess is that they want to finish this Primaris and Necron release before going into new directions.

I'd be quite happy for the Ynnari to be killed off as a faction. I however expect them to get a new codex that will make them the most attractive of the Aeldari to play, because I think that it would suit GW over the long term to merge all the Spess Elfs.

I think that future Aeldari releases will be made with a Ynnari option (both modelling and rules), which may be borne out if the teasered model, that appears to be Lelith Hesperax, has both Drukhari and Ynnari rules.

 harlokin wrote:
I'd be quite happy for the Ynnari to be killed off as a faction.

I'm somewhat torn, to be honest.

Part of me wants them to stay because I like many of their themes and mechanics, and have found them useful for representing homebrew factions.

However, when it comes to their actual lore, I have no interest whatsoever. What's more, whilst I like their mechanics, I don't like how said mechanics are currently shackled to the 3 special characters - which I also have 0 interest in (either lore-wise or on the table).

I'd certainly much prefer to see a Corsairs codex, like the one in 7th.

I love the concept of Ynnari, but I also love any and all progression of the story.

Even if they combine some of the stuff into "True Ynnari" I think we'll see smaller splinter factions like the Covens.

In fact I imagine that we'll see Aeldari as we know it split into 3 factions.

Wraith Aeldari - Think Iyanden. The Aeldari who refuse death through spirit stones.
Death Aeldari - Ynnari. The Aeldari who accept death as their patreon.
Coven Aeldari - The Aeldari who refuse death and afterlife using science and evolution.

I really get the feeling this was the original intent with Aeldari at some point considering the fact they gave out a lot of wraith units along with a Iyanden supplement. Then they came with a coven supplement and soon after Ynnari where they explicitly stated that covens want no part of the Ynnari.

That sounds quite convincing as an endgame.