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I have a question in regards to the Fire Frenzy Stratagem and the effects it has on the Helbrute unit.



Upon reading the stratagem, the first part of it states that you must use this stratagem in the shooting phase before A helbrute shoots. Now as this is not specific in regards to saying select a helbrute that hasn’t shot, one would assume it would apply to any helbrute on the field under your command. If that is the case, and the next prerequisite follows that a helbrute that has not moved, and did not shoot before the strat was used, could shoot it’s guns twice as long as it targeted the nearest visible target it could.



The question then is, since there is not a specific select a helbrute verbiage and the strat is only reliant on, one a helbrute/s not having shot yet, and two said helbrute/s did not move in the last movement phase. Would that allow for multiple helbrutes that meet all the criteria to benefit from the Fire frenzy stratagem that turn? I have looked through every faq that GW has posted in regards to this strat. It is completely different from any single unit or multi unit stratagem in that it does not state you must select a helbrute with this stratagem.

dmleigh wrote:
I have a question in regards to the Fire Frenzy Stratagem and the effects it has on the Helbrute unit.



Upon reading the stratagem, the first part of it states that you must use this stratagem in the shooting phase before A helbrute shoots. Now as this is not specific in regards to saying select a helbrute that hasn’t shot, one would assume it would apply to any helbrute on the field under your command. If that is the case, and the next prerequisite follows that a helbrute that has not moved, and did not shoot before the strat was used, could shoot it’s guns twice as long as it targeted the nearest visible target it could.



The question then is, since there is not a specific select a helbrute verbiage and the strat is only reliant on, one a helbrute/s not having shot yet, and two said helbrute/s did not move in the last movement phase. Would that allow for multiple helbrutes that meet all the criteria to benefit from the Fire frenzy stratagem that turn?

it says "If that Helbrute", linking it to being the Helbrute just about to shoot. You can't get a Helbrute that has already shot to shoot a second time if you didn't use the stratagem when that Helbrute was about to shoot. In other words, you can't wait to see what the results of the first volley of shooting is before using the stratagem.

Also, "firing twice" is not the same as "shooting again".

I am aware that you can't wait to see the results as to whether or not you shoot the weapons twice. My question is based on the wording of using the stratagem before A helbrute, meaning any of the ones on the field, shoots, and the second part of them not moving, in the previous move phase, does that then allow multiple helbrutes who meet both requirements of the strat to gain the benefits of the fire frenzy stratagem

You can use the stratagem when you have a helbrute that has not moved. That specific helbrute gets a bonus if it hasn't moved.

I see no way to read it in a way that lets you affect multiple units with the one stratagem.

As for the "If that Helbrute" portion, which helbrute is it specifiying? As there was no previous specification past, before A helbrute shoots, meaning it could be used before any of the helbrute's shoot. With that being the case, as long as That helbrute, one of the ones that hadn't shot before the stratagem had not moved previously, it could fire twice.

Use this Stratagem in your Shooting phase, just before a Helbrute shoots. If that Helbrute did not move in its Movement phase, it can fire all of its weapons twice but all of its attacks must target the nearest visible enemy unit.

"...a Helbrute..." is singular. It is referring to one, unspecific Helbrute.

"If that Helbrute..." is referring to the one, unspecific Helbrute mentioned in the previous sentence.

The stratagem only therefore affects the Helbrute that was chosen by the player before it shoots as once you've completed the remainder of the stratagem there is no option to go back and choose another Helbrute.

dmleigh wrote:
As for the "If that Helbrute" portion, which helbrute is it specifiying? As there was no previous specification past, before A helbrute shoots, meaning it could be used before any of the helbrute's shoot. With that being the case, as long as That helbrute, one of the ones that hadn't shot before the stratagem had not moved previously, it could fire twice.

"That Helbrute" is singular, so refers to whichever singular Helbrute you used to trigger the conditions of the stratagem.

The stratagem triggers "just before a Helbrute shoots". A unit "shoots" when it is being selected to shoot and just before it selects a target (Core Rules -> Shooting Phase -> Select Target).

So you select a Helbrute to shoot with, play the stratagem, and then "that Helbrute" can trigger the stratagem and get a bonus if "it" hadn't moved.

It's about as clear as wording can possibly get, I'm not sure what the confusion is.