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Hey guys and galls,

I was wondering. Do you need the core rulebook in order to play the game or does the GT booklet provide you with everything you need? I know detachments aren't in the GT, but is there something else you need from the core book? I'm not really digging it to pay for something I'm not going to use, since this hobby is expensive enough as is.

Thanks in advance for any replies!

If you only plan on playing GT missions and understand detachment rules are not included, yes, the GT book is sufficient. That was all I needed to play last weekend; I did not need to bring the large rulebook with me.

So what's missing is the detachments, open and matched play?

Plus couple rules like regarding to cp's. Gw isn't giving in ca all in rulebook

I ordered the GT book thinking I would get a nice, abbreviated rulebook. I was surprised how small (physical size) the book was when I received it, but more importantly, how small the actual text was. GW literally took most of the rules pages from the Core book and shrunk them down to fit a small spiral manual book. The text is so small I had difficulty reading it at times, so I ended up selling it on eBay.

I understand the intent: a portable rule/mission book so you don't have to lug the big hardcover book around. But when the print type is so small it becomes a chore to read the book and find specific rules, glossary terms, etc., it really defeats the purpose. Instead, a full-sized paperback book of just the rules and missions would have been better, with the munitorum points uploaded and updated as an online FAQ.

 Gnarlly wrote:
IInstead, a full-sized paperback book of just the rules and missions would have been better

Such a thing is clearly beyond the capabilities of a company the likes of GW.

It'll be interesting to see how the rulebook from the Command Edition starter set (I think it was - top-end one) turns out.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Gnarlly wrote:
IInstead, a full-sized paperback book of just the rules and missions would have been better

Such a thing is clearly beyond the capabilities of a company the likes of GW.

Paperback books could be made downsized and made more affordable.
But no, GW wants to offer their over-sized hardcover books.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Gnarlly wrote:
IInstead, a full-sized paperback book of just the rules and missions would have been better

Such a thing is clearly beyond the capabilities of a company the likes of GW.

Paperback books could be made downsized and made more affordable.
But no, GW wants to offer their over-sized hardcover books.

All of the resources were funneled into the moon landing equivalent Finecast technology.

I bought both and the larger print full rules are nice when I am at home but the small print book is great for taking to games.

Worth noting that the GT book has 9 missions each for the 1000 and 2000 point caps, but they're not all the same missions. Iirc four of the six in the base rules for each of those point levels are recycled in the GT, but the others are new. Also; nothing for the 500 or 3000 point levels, which might have been nice to have.

 Gnarlly wrote:
I ordered the GT book thinking I would get a nice, abbreviated rulebook. I was surprised how small (physical size) the book was when I received it, but more importantly, how small the actual text was. GW literally took most of the rules pages from the Core book and shrunk them down to fit a small spiral manual book. The text is so small I had difficulty reading it at times, so I ended up selling it on eBay.

I understand the intent: a portable rule/mission book so you don't have to lug the big hardcover book around. But when the print type is so small it becomes a chore to read the book and find specific rules, glossary terms, etc., it really defeats the purpose. Instead, a full-sized paperback book of just the rules and missions would have been better, with the munitorum points uploaded and updated as an online FAQ.

Well that's a damn shame. But don't you need the GT to play GT games? Or is the core also good for that? I'm so confused lol

Esentially GW have managed to make sure you effectively still need both, just you can muddle by at the game table with the GT book.

Well that doesn't sound like GW at alllll....

Nice to know that we need to sell the soul of our first borne for a couple of pages of rules.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

 Gnarlly wrote:
I ordered the GT book thinking I would get a nice, abbreviated rulebook. I was surprised how small (physical size) the book was when I received it, but more importantly, how small the actual text was. GW literally took most of the rules pages from the Core book and shrunk them down to fit a small spiral manual book. The text is so small I had difficulty reading it at times, so I ended up selling it on eBay.

I understand the intent: a portable rule/mission book so you don't have to lug the big hardcover book around. But when the print type is so small it becomes a chore to read the book and find specific rules, glossary terms, etc., it really defeats the purpose. Instead, a full-sized paperback book of just the rules and missions would have been better, with the munitorum points uploaded and updated as an online FAQ.

I have really bad eyes, and I have no trouble reading CA. Maybe you should consider getting your eyes checked (not intended as an insult)?

If you are looking for a rulebook to take to games, this is the book you want. All the rules to play games are in there, detachments are the only thing of note missing - but if you are using software to build armies, you don't need the manyways.

Crusade is missing, but that should be obvious. Outside of that, you get nine missions for 1000 and 2000 points each, which do not seem to have any overlap with six missions in the BRB. You also get slightly different set of secondary objectives, but as long as you and your opponent both pick from the same list, that shouldn't matter.

The small format (pages are roughly the size of the battle primer they used to put in 8th edition's boxes) and the ring binding is awesome for just leaving it on the table during the game.

I like it a lot, and don't regret buying it at all.


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Ice_can wrote:
Esentially GW have managed to make sure you effectively still need both, just you can muddle by at the game table with the GT book.

Why do you need both?

The Newman wrote:
Worth noting that the GT book has 9 missions each for the 1000 and 2000 point caps, but they're not all the same missions. Iirc four of the six in the base rules for each of those point levels are recycled in the GT, but the others are new. Also; nothing for the 500 or 3000 point levels, which might have been nice to have.

I wonder if the lack of GT missions for 500 points and 3000 points is simply because they're not expecting any GTs to be run at those sizes of game.

I can certainly understand 3k not being a factor, as that would get unwieldy, but you'd think 500 points would've been worth a shout.

 Dysartes wrote:
I can certainly understand 3k not being a factor, as that would get unwieldy, but you'd think 500 points would've been worth a shout.

I think the bigger issue is that 500 point games are much easier to break if people really want to, as people lack the points to properly prepare for skew armies.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I can certainly understand 3k not being a factor, as that would get unwieldy, but you'd think 500 points would've been worth a shout.

I think the bigger issue is that 500 point games are much easier to break if people really want to, as people lack the points to properly prepare for skew armies.

That was my exact thought, 500 point games are easy to make some pretty broken lists at where most opponents may not be able to deal with some of the units.

3000 point games make sense as well as that is a lot of models to haul around and the games would take way to damn long.

i thought it was weird that the secondaries differed between main rulebook and grand tournament pack.

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I can certainly understand 3k not being a factor, as that would get unwieldy, but you'd think 500 points would've been worth a shout.

I think the bigger issue is that 500 point games are much easier to break if people really want to, as people lack the points to properly prepare for skew armies.

That was my exact thought, 500 point games are easy to make some pretty broken lists at where most opponents may not be able to deal with some of the units.

3000 point games make sense as well as that is a lot of models to haul around and the games would take way to damn long.

Neither of these get run at tournaments. Heck, even including 1K is trying to make 1K tourneys happen. It’s no surprise a competitive-oriented book doesn’t include things the competitive scene doesn’t run.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Neither of these get run at tournaments. Heck, even including 1K is trying to make 1K tourneys happen. It’s no surprise a competitive-oriented book doesn’t include things the competitive scene doesn’t run.

1K games are a staple of WHW tournaments.

While they aren't super-popular in the US in particular, it also wouldn't make sense for GW to publish a 2020 GT pack they couldn't use, just because the 2000 point mission in the GT pack will perhaps see more use outside of WHW than the 2019 or 2018 GT pack.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

Neither of these get run at tournaments. Heck, even including 1K is trying to make 1K tourneys happen. It’s no surprise a competitive-oriented book doesn’t include things the competitive scene doesn’t run.

1K games are a staple of WHW tournaments.

The vast majority of tournaments at WHW for 8th were 1750/2000...

Funny enough staple doesn't mean majority