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So, this came up during my game today with me playing Sisters of Battle. Using the stratagem Divine Intervention, I returned a Canoness to play at the end of a combat phase, after it was destroyed by Electro Priests. Does this model dying for the first time then activate their improved save ability? And will she count towards the secondary objective "Assassinate"? The same questions can be asked for Celestine and her Miraculous Intervention ability. I couldn't find a good answer in the rules and remember there was something in 8th saying that the model is not destroyed. Whether or not that was true and still is true in 9th, I wasn't able to verify during our game. I'd like to know for future games though, as it will probably come up quite regularly.

If Divine Intervention saves her from dying, then they do not get the improved save.

If Divine Intervention lets her die then brings her back, they do get the increased save.

I am not 100% familar with Divine Intervention but I think it does the latter

If you have rules questions you should quote the relevant rules. We cannot know every rule.

Us3Less wrote:
So, this came up during my game today with me playing Sisters of Battle. Using the stratagem Divine Intervention, I returned a Canoness to play at the end of a combat phase, after it was destroyed by Electro Priests. Does this model dying for the first time then activate their improved save ability? And will she count towards the secondary objective "Assassinate"? The same questions can be asked for Celestine and her Miraculous Intervention ability. I couldn't find a good answer in the rules and remember there was something in 8th saying that the model is not destroyed. Whether or not that was true and still is true in 9th, I wasn't able to verify during our game. I'd like to know for future games though, as it will probably come up quite regularly.

. Does this model dying for the first time then activate their improved save ability?
Yes. This is explicit assuming you're talking about the OoML Conviction.
"In addition, when resolving an attack made by a model with this conviction, add 1 to the hit roll if one or more models from that model’s unit have been destroyed in this battle, even if they have been subsequently returned to the battlefield."

And will she count towards the secondary objective "Assassinate"?
No, Assassinate is an end game objective, not progressive. It counts which models are destroyed at the end of the game.

The stratagem states: "Use this Stratagem when an Adepta Sororitas Character model [other than named characters] from your army is destroyed (…). Discard 1-3 Miracle dice. At the end of the phase, return that model to play with a number of wounds remaining equal to the number of Miracle dice you discarded, placing it as close as possible to its previous position and more than 1" away from any enemy models. You do not gain a Miracle dice for the destruction of that model this turn."

The ability of Celestine is worded in a similar fashion (the first time this model is destroyed… 2+ return this model to play).

I do not have the ability of the Electro Priests at hand. But the same question applies to the Feeder Tendrils Stratagem of the Tyranids: "Use when a Genestealer, Lictor, Toxicrene or Venomthrope kills a Character in the Fight Phase. Gain D3 command points.

The rules for Assassinate are that you score 3 VP at the end of the battle for each enemy character that is destroyed.

If they indeed count towards being destroyed before being returned to play, could they then be destroyed or killed again for the purposes of e.g. the Tyranid Stratagem?

Edit: I'm not meaning the order of our Martyred Lady, but the ability of the Electro Priests.

Us3Less wrote:

If they indeed count towards being destroyed before being returned to play, could they then be destroyed or killed again for the purposes of e.g. the Tyranid Stratagem?

Edit: I'm not meaning the order of our Martyred Lady, but the ability of the Electro Priests.

Yes, they should count as destroyed for purposes of Siphoned Vigor and Feeder Tendrils. It doesn't count for Assassinate because Assassinate is only counted at the end of the game.

It does not count towards Assassinate as that is only checked at the end of the battle.

Thanks all. The assassinate part is clear. Having reread the text myself it was a lot clearer. During the game we misread it as progressive scoring.

Regarding the returning of a model, does it count towards destroy triggers when it dies again? Seeing the replies in this topic, I'd now say that yes it does.

I think where my confusion came from was the 8th Slay the Warlord objective or kingslayer objective, which had similar wording as the stratagems, but wouldn't give the points for e.g. Celestine as warlord until she was no longer in the battlefield.

Us3Less wrote:
Thanks all. The assassinate part is clear. Having reread the text myself it was a lot clearer. During the game we misread it as progressive scoring.

Regarding the returning of a model, does it count towards destroy triggers when it dies again? Seeing the replies in this topic, I'd now say that yes it does.

I think where my confusion came from was the 8th Slay the Warlord objective or kingslayer objective, which had similar wording as the stratagems, but wouldn't give the points for e.g. Celestine as warlord until she was no longer in the battlefield.

Yes it can be "destroyed" a second time.

9th and secondaries does a pretty nice job with clearing issues 8th had.

For example "Assainate" and "cut off the head" both have pretty clear wording. In "Cut off the Head" there is an entire paragraph for revenant Warlords; because the conditions are Past imperfect "was destroyed". "Assassinate is Present tense "Is destroyed"

assassinate checks the end of game model state - so no

Thin the ranks counts the turns kill tally so yes