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How does the storm shield work for terminators in 9th?
Is it any different in +1 bonus to the characteristi cmp with +1 saving throw rolls?
How does it work in cover?

 Nora wrote:
How does the storm shield work for terminators in 9th?
Is it any different in +1 bonus to the characteristi cmp with +1 saving throw rolls?
How does it work in cover?

right now its still a plain old 3++, the datasheet did not get updated.
The only units with the new storm shield are the stuff from indomitus

We shall see once the new codex gets released.

If you or your opponent need a reference, the Edge of Silence FAQ provides the ruling/guidance.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/WwmEkmb1MyUp2pPp.pdf

The designer's commentary seems to indicate the the units in Edge of Silence were created in a bit of a vacuum. I wouldn't be surprised if the wording in the Codex changes. The Edge of Silence Storm Shield is a nice way to give certain units a 2+/4++, but it clearly does not work well on units that already have a 2+. Guess we'll see in Oct.

Given how much they seem to like unit-specific wargear, I'm a little surprised the shield wasn't a "Bladeguard Storm Shield" for now, to head this question off.

If they then wanted the effect to be more widespread when the new 'dex comes out, they could've sorted it all out then.

I think it would be cool if Storm Shields went to +1 armour saving throws and a 4++ for all units with SS.
A shield is supposed to improve your Armour, after all.
It would give Terminators effective immunity to AP-1 or even AP-2 while in light cover.
Would make them feel tougher against small arms fire.

Vanguard Vets would also get an overall buff against small arms fire which is what typically kills them.

The only oddball situation I can think of is for Characters that already have Iron Halo 4++. Although currently the wording for Storm Shields is on the units datasheet. And we already have different points for Characters and non- Characters.
So we could see all SSs giving +1 armour and give most units get 4++, but Characters get 3++

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 Galef wrote:
I think it would be cool if Storm Shields went to +1 armour saving throws and a 4++ for all units with SS.
It would give Terminators effective immunity to AP-1 or even AP-2 while in light cover.
Would make them feel tougher against small arms fire.

Vanguard Vets would also get an overall buff against small arms fire which is what typically kills them.

The only oddball situation I can think of is for Characters that already have Iron Halo 4++. Although currently the wording for Storm Shields is on the units datasheet. And we already have different points for Characters and non- Characters.
So we could see all SSs giving +1 armour, but give different ++ saves to different units. Most units get 4++, Characters get 3++

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in the current rules, it would make terminators have an effective 2++

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I think it would be cool if Storm Shields went to +1 armour saving throws and a 4++ for all units with SS.
It would give Terminators effective immunity to AP-1 or even AP-2 while in light cover.
Would make them feel tougher against small arms fire.

Vanguard Vets would also get an overall buff against small arms fire which is what typically kills them.

The only oddball situation I can think of is for Characters that already have Iron Halo 4++. Although currently the wording for Storm Shields is on the units datasheet. And we already have different points for Characters and non- Characters.
So we could see all SSs giving +1 armour, but give different ++ saves to different units. Most units get 4++, Characters get 3++

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in the current rules, it would make terminators have an effective 2++

Not if the wording in the Codex gives +1 to the ROLL and not to the Characteristic. Simple problems require simple solutions.

Honest question: Whats the difference?

a_typical_hero wrote:
Honest question: Whats the difference?

A 1+ armor save is functionally equivalent to a 2++ invulnerable save due to converging nuances of GWs dice related rules.

If it is to save characteristic only unmodified rolls of 1 fails. Modified 1's pass as its 1+. And you can't modify less than 1.

So lascannon hits, you roll 2, end　roll　is 1 as cant go less than that. 1 is same or more as 1+. So pass. Unmodified 1 meanwhile always fail but 2-3 is not　unmodified 1

(and gw is very aware of that. Aos has same thing and bastillion has that until it degrades so until that happens regardless of ap(rend in aos) it saves on 2+)

Mind you degrade can happen lot faster than half and has less big jumps so it's not as bad there. Once you cause 3 wounds save drops to 2+

Okay, lets see then. Thanks for reply

 Galef wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I think it would be cool if Storm Shields went to +1 armour saving throws and a 4++ for all units with SS.
It would give Terminators effective immunity to AP-1 or even AP-2 while in light cover.
Would make them feel tougher against small arms fire.

Vanguard Vets would also get an overall buff against small arms fire which is what typically kills them.

The only oddball situation I can think of is for Characters that already have Iron Halo 4++. Although currently the wording for Storm Shields is on the units datasheet. And we already have different points for Characters and non- Characters.
So we could see all SSs giving +1 armour, but give different ++ saves to different units. Most units get 4++, Characters get 3++

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in the current rules, it would make terminators have an effective 2++

Not if the wording in the Codex gives +1 to the ROLL and not to the Characteristic. Simple problems require simple solutions.

which it's worth noting is what they FAQ'd the indomatus stormsheilds to be