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2020/08/12 22:57:00
Subject: Re:I hate that so many wants to play space marines
7th Edition Lord Of Change
Blodothirster
Herald Of Khorne
Thousand Sons Rubric Marines
Scarab Occult Terminators
Tzaangors
Thousand Sons Sorcerers
Ahriman
Magnus
Dark Apostle (Heresy Era)
Kharn
Blue and Brimstone Horrors
Cypher
Fallen
14 Total
8th Edition Abaddon
Lord Of Contagion
Noxious Blightbringer
Malignant Plaguecaster
Plague Marines
Poxwalkers
Bloat-Drones
Mortarion
Typhus
Tallyman
Biologious Putrifier
Plague Surgeon
Deathshroud Terminators
Blightlord Terminators
Blight Hauler
Plagueburst Crawler
Sloppity Bilepiper
Spoilpox Scrivener
Great Unclean One
Beast Of Nurgle
Tzaangor Enlightened
Tzaangor Shaman
Feculent Gnarlmaw
Horticulous Slimux
Mutilath Vortex Beast
Fiends Of Slaanesh
Flesh Hounds
Karanak
Master Of Possession
Chaos Space Marines
Venomcrawler
Obliterators
Greater Posessed
Skulltaker
Havocs
Bloodmaster
Infernal Enrapturess
Lord Discordant
Skull Altat
Noctilith Crown
Dark Apostle With Disciples
Master Of Executions
Chaos Terminators
Keeper Of Secrets
The Masque
Fury
Syll'Esske
Contorted Epitome
Chaos Knight
Fabius Bile
50 Total
Overall Total: 64
Excluding the Rogue Trader, Blackstone Fortress, and any incomplete unit releases.
Reducing any multi-build kits to a single entry.
Overall total might not look that bad... 50 SM releases to 64 Chaos ones.
But Chaos is an entire super faction, comprising CSM, Daemons, and should have R&H (but they're being squatted, is the rumour). If I run Nurgle Daemons (and I do) I got 7 releases. And one is Furies, who are generic Daemons.
Whereas for Marines, I left off anything that's not generic.
2020/08/13 14:35:27
Subject: I hate that so many wants to play space marines
Dudeface wrote: Well since you're generalising the prior codex (blood angels, space wolves, marines and grey knights) under "marines" if you put daemons, craftworld eldar, tau, knights/admech under "other" then other has 100% uptime of being a top tier army.
Yes, that makes perfect sense. /s
Space Wolves are to Space Marines as Slaanesh Daemons are to Tau.
....
(and people wonder why Space Marine players sometimes catch flak)
No I think you've hit the nail on the head, despite having separate books and range refreshed at different points/different editions, some players refused to view them a unique entities. Your definition of a marine codex is too broad. Even now the meta isn't blood angels, dark angels or wolves doing well it's codex marines 2.0 that was the problem.
It's not that I refuse to view them as unique entities. It's that GW themselves doesn't do a good job of making them unique. The primary difference between DA, BA, and other SM is armor color. The major difference between SW and those 3 is armor color and fur. The major difference between GK and those 4 is wargear options and psykers.
GK is about as distinct as the SM would have to get in look, playstyle, etc. before I start to really be able to distinguish. Because they're the only faction that I can't just say "My Emperor's Toothbrushes are <best rules this edition> Space Marines"
Yeah, I'll echo this a hundred times.
In my Daemons Codex, Tzeentch Daemons and Nurgle Daemons are more distinct from each other than Blood Angels and Ultramarines are, for the most part.
2020/08/13 16:51:33
Subject: I hate that so many wants to play space marines
Dudeface wrote: Then the issue here is subjective and as you mentioned in another thread, better not to hinge on subjective discourse.
It's not worth arguing about subjectivity, no, but what I want Marine players to see is that there is a point-of-view held by some (me) in which "Marines are Marines, whether Red, Blue, Green, Light Blue with Beards, etc." so saying "Marines weren't OP this edition because it was Blood Angels who were OP" just makes me go
Ok, noted. You have an odd PoV that doesn't sync with reality.
So when Chaos has a dominating tournament build that's a Thousand Sons Supreme Command, a Nurgle Daemons Battalion, and a Spearhead of CSM, I'm sure you were the first to say that none of them are OP on their own, and in fact, Chaos in general needs to be boosted, while reigning in only the outliers.
2020/08/16 18:21:19
Subject: I hate that so many wants to play space marines
Also, let's be real. If Dark Eldar or Daemons were treated the same as Marines, they would have a Codex for each subfaction, or at least a big ol' supplement.
2020/08/18 18:40:41
Subject: I hate that so many wants to play space marines
