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So Chaos Daemons are the only army (I think) that can take chariots. In 9th edition Chariot (or CHARIOT keyword) does not seem to be a thing that has any rules attached to it. It is not a monster or a vehicle, not a beast or biker. It does not get Big Guns Never Tire and does not provide look out sir. It does not have cover or objective related rulings either.

In fact I am struggling to see if there is any ruling reference anywhere in 9th that has anything to do with chariots. Anybody had any idea?

It's a legacy option, plain and simple.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
It's a legacy option, plain and simple.

That sounds worrisome for the whole Heavy support slot of the Daemon Codex.

Interestingly, since they are not Vehicles they do not give away VP for Bring it Down or other related secondaries.

Is there a rules difference between a BIKE and a CHARIOT?

There's never been any point to them. They just got put into 40k because they had the models lying around from the fantasy side. They've never got the attention required to make them anything other than a total afterthought.

If you are seriously thinking of playing Daemons, you should get used to this sort of afterthought treatment, as it's very much been historically how the faction is treated. It's full of all sorts of outdated rules and mechanics like this.

Logan Grimnar still has a chariot to ride. Pretty sure necrons still has one.
Lets just pray GW dont try to bring back specific chariot rules again.

yukishiro1 wrote:
There's never been any point to them. They just got put into 40k because they had the models lying around from the fantasy side. They've never got the attention required to make them anything other than a total afterthought.

If you are seriously thinking of playing Daemons, you should get used to this sort of afterthought treatment, as it's very much been historically how the faction is treated. It's full of all sorts of outdated rules and mechanics like this.

Looks like you should read Slaves to Darkness and The Lost and the Damned and update your misconception about Chaos Daemons in 40k. They were introduced into both 40k and WHFB at the exact same time, and included rules for chariots.


@OP, despite what Yukishiro claims, Chaos Daemons don't get the "afterthought treatment". For Chariots, the keyword is a left over from 7th edition where they were the chariot type (such an awesome rule in 7th!). If you pay attention, GW carried the unit type (infantry, bike, jetpack, etc) over from 7th and added it as a keyword for the respective unit. It turns out that they mostly ended up writing rules that affected either Infantry or Vehicles (and sometimes beasts and swarms).

JakeSiren wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
There's never been any point to them. They just got put into 40k because they had the models lying around from the fantasy side. They've never got the attention required to make them anything other than a total afterthought.

If you are seriously thinking of playing Daemons, you should get used to this sort of afterthought treatment, as it's very much been historically how the faction is treated. It's full of all sorts of outdated rules and mechanics like this.

Looks like you should read Slaves to Darkness and The Lost and the Damned and update your misconception about Chaos Daemons in 40k. They were introduced into both 40k and WHFB at the exact same time, and included rules for chariots.

Such as?

It can get confusing to look up these days, since the terms "Slaves to Darkness" and "Lost and the Damned" have been used in multiple GW releases since the original books. But those two books (collectively also known as the "Realms of Chaos" books) were introduced all the way back in 1990, when 40k was called Rogue Trader, so there'd be little point referring to those rules now.

We're talking back in the days when your forces could roll on tables to see what guns they got, so of course the rulebooks back then included just about damn near everything - including, yes, chariots (though it's fair to say they were a pretty small part of the rules, and to my knowledge didn't have models). If you're at all interested in Chaos or Daemon history and lore, then without wanting to feed any animosity, JakeSiren is right - you really SHOULD read them. I believe his ultimate point is that the chariots have technically been around for as long as the Daemons have, in both 40k and Fantasy.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Realms_of_Chaos