doktor_g wrote:So at the end of 8th my greenskins got hit with the bat, losing the BM w/
KFF. I heard we got it back in Saga of the Beast. Fine.
BScribe still has it as [LEGEND]. That along BigGunz. Yet, chapter approved has them in the
GT book. So what gives? Are they legal for competitive play or not?
Legends have the same status as Codexes or Forge World Indexes. They are still legal, still valid, can be used anywhere and everywhere unless otherwise stated.
The "unless otherwise stated" generally means people who run tournaments are advised to not permit them as they are never ever going to be re-balanced or fixed as the game moves on. There seems to be an even split (as far as anecdotal experience suggests) as to whether people forbid them in matched play, allow their opponents to use them but choose to not use them themselves, or are fully ok with them on the same level as codex units.
As far as the game is concerned, they are usable in any game format. Any prohibition on Legends units is a House Rule or a Tournament House Rule, nothing more, nothing less.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/#warhammer-40000 Here you’ll find complete rules for warriors, heroes, monsters and machines from the worlds of Warhammer, alongside a brief summary of their background and play style.
Every Citadel miniature is great, a unique piece of the ever-evolving narrative of Warhammer. It is, then, an unfortunate truth that we can’t continue to sell and support every model we’ve ever made, indefinitely. As we make new models, and new books to explore their background and rules, we have to stop producing and featuring some older models. But just like many of you, we still treasure our collections of older Citadel miniatures, and we still want to be able to use them in games and forge glorious narratives on the tabletop! This is where Warhammer Legends comes in. Warhammer Legends is a great home for these miniatures, giving us somewhere to publish rules to allow you to keep playing with your older miniatures.
The Warhammer 40,000 Legends page contains datasheets and additional wargear options, definitive profiles that will live on their own dedicated page, enabling you to unleash your treasured classics in open, narrative and matched play games, with full points provided to help you balance your games.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ Every year, we review all of the points values (for all of the units) in Warhammer 40,000. We won’t be doing this for the Warhammer Legends, though. Once we’ve assigned them their final points, they won’t be part of that ongoing balance review – and we won’t be recommending Legends units for competitive tournaments. This means that event organisers and attendees alike can guarantee everything they’re gaming with is easily available and has been subject to the same rigorous balance and playtesting process. Of course, organisers are also free to run Legends events, allowing the use of the full classic range in their games.
Keep in mind, however, that some models did not make the transition to Legends and, despite some of your models possibly having a previously legal loadout, no longer can run that loadout whatsoever as the old "Index Flowchart" is not a part of 9th edition. Examples include Grey Knight Librarian with Storm Shield, or the LasPlas Razorback.
Oh, and a quick point about the Big Mek. The [Legends] unit you're seeing is for the Big Mek, not the Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field from Saga of the Beast. Those are two totally unrelated datasheets. The Legends Big Mek has a full set of customisable wargear, while the Saga of the Beast Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field has no wargear options.
