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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/19 23:26:23
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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I’ve been toying around with some Harlequin/Eldar lists (aiming for heavier on the Quins) so I thought I might share my first iteration for review here. Lots of fast Harlequins units to take the middle quickly and then a slightly sturdier bit of Eldar tanks and troops to help keep it. Thanks for looking.
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Harlequins) [64 PL, 1,219pts, 10CP] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment CP
Masque Form: The Frozen Stars: Hysterical Fury
+ Stratagems +
Enigmas of the Black Library (1 Relic) [-1CP]
+ HQ +
Shadowseer [6 PL, 115pts, -1CP]: Shards of Light, Shield From Harm, Shuriken Pistol, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, The Shadowstone, Twilight Pathways, Veil of Illusion
Troupe Master [4 PL, 65pts]: Choreographer of War, Harlequin's Blade, Player of the Light, Shuriken Pistol, The Twilight Fang, Warlord
+ Troops +
Troupe [5 PL, 95pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
Troupe [5 PL, 96pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
Troupe [5 PL, 103pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Kiss
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
Troupe [5 PL, 100pts]
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
+ Elites +
Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]: Humbling Cruelty
+ Fast Attack +
Skyweavers [15 PL, 275pts]
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
+ Dedicated Transport +
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [41 PL, 780pts, -2CP] ++
+ Configuration +
Craftworld Attribute: None (Mixed Detachment)
Detachment CP [-2CP]
+ HQ +
Farseer Skyrunner [7 PL, 135pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade
+ Troops +
Dire Avengers [3 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, 4x Plasma Grenades
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. . Exarch Power: Bladestorm
Dire Avengers [3 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, 4x Plasma Grenades
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. . Exarch Power: Bladestorm
Dire Avengers [3 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, 4x Plasma Grenades
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. . Exarch Power: Bladestorm
+ Heavy Support +
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
+ Dedicated Transport +
Wave Serpent [9 PL, 170pts]: Spirit Stones, Twin Shuriken Catapult, Twin Starcannon
++ Total: [105 PL, 1,999pts, 8CP] ++
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EDIT: Cleaned up formatting a bit
EDIT 2: Eldar detachment is Expert Crafters/Masterful Shots (real original I know)
I like the look of it overall (at least as a primer to getting used to 9th before trying some more skew-y builds), but I do have a few questions. Is it worth the CP to use Pivotal Role to add Veil of Illusion? I like the sound of it but with boards getting smaller it might not have that much impact in practice. Although it is only one CP so even if it affects only the first turn it might be worth it. That and if 12” flamers become a common sight it might be worth it. Also though about spending another CP on Pivotal Role to add Prince of Light to the Troupe Master to stack with Player of Light for +1 rerollable charges. Or should I switch his WL trait to Player of Twilight for CP regen (albeit max 1 per turn)? Thanks for looking, any critiques are more than welcome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/20 06:37:59
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Well, I'd drop the Troupe units and add two further units of Skyweavers by taking an outrider detachment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/21 23:48:19
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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wuestenfux wrote:Well, I'd drop the Troupe units and add two further units of Skyweavers by taking an outrider detachment.
Are you that hot on Skyweavers or that down on Troupes? I thought the fusion boats were sounding pretty tasty so far. I know they're a bit flimsy, but hiding out as best as possible/protecting as much of the Harlequin detachment as possible with a 9" -1 to wound/-6" range to enemy shooting bubble via Foes of The Mind sounds like a plausible strategy for a strong beta strike to the mid board. That and it seems to me that I'd want to pump a fair bit of CP into the bikes defensively (prismatic blur pretty much every turn) and offensively (murderous entrance/Frozen stars +1 to wound strat) depending on what targets present themselves, making multiple squads of bikes less appealing.
I did toy around with a different iteration. One less Harlie Boat and a little more oomph from the Eldar side of things
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Harlequins) [55 PL, 9CP, 1,035pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment CP
Masque Form: The Frozen Stars: Hysterical Fury
+ Stratagems +
Enigmas of the Black Library (1 Relic) [-1CP]
+ HQ +
Shadowseer [6 PL, -1CP, 115pts]: Shards of Light, Shield From Harm, Shuriken Pistol, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, The Shadowstone, Twilight Pathways, Veil of Illusion
Troupe Master [4 PL, -1CP, 70pts]: Choreographer of War, Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Player of the Light, Prince of Light, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, The Twilight Fang, Warlord
+ Troops +
Troupe [5 PL, 95pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
Troupe [5 PL, 100pts]
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
Troupe [5 PL, 95pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
+ Elites +
Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]: Humbling Cruelty
+ Fast Attack +
Skyweavers [15 PL, 270pts]
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Star Bolas
+ Dedicated Transport +
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
++ Spearhead Detachment -3CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [53 PL, -3CP, 965pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Craftworld Attribute
. *Custom Craftworld*: Expert Crafters, Masterful Shots
Detachment CP [-3CP]
+ HQ +
Farseer Skyrunner [7 PL, 135pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade
+ Troops +
Dire Avengers [3 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, 4x Plasma Grenades
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. . Exarch Power: Bladestorm
Dire Avengers [3 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, 4x Plasma Grenades
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. . Exarch Power: Bladestorm
+ Heavy Support +
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
War Walkers [4 PL, 70pts]
. War Walker: Starcannon, Starcannon
War Walkers [4 PL, 70pts]
. War Walker: Starcannon, Starcannon
War Walkers [8 PL, 140pts]
. War Walker: Starcannon, Starcannon
. War Walker: Starcannon, Starcannon
++ Total: [108 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 02:15:20
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I am toying with something similar. I think it'll be strong.
I'd probably take 2 of your Falcons with Missile Launchers or Bright lances, just so you have some longer range anti tank to fall back on.
I've heard for Starcannon to AML, it's usually about a 2:1 ratio.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 06:51:02
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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tulun wrote:I am toying with something similar. I think it'll be strong.
I'd probably take 2 of your Falcons with Missile Launchers or Bright lances, just so you have some longer range anti tank to fall back on.
I've heard for Starcannon to AML, it's usually about a 2:1 ratio.
I could see doing that. It would cost me a couple of zephyrglaives or fusion pistols which I'm not keen to drop but it might be a good idea. Think i'd lean towards the AML.
I'm kind of on the fence about the Death Jester but I feel like there are enough matchups beyond Tau where he could be valuable. And even if the overwatch denial doesn't come in to play he's still a pretty cheap and accurate shuriken cannon with some perks I guess?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alright, just to be obnoxious and I'm having fun making lists here's one more variant. Tried to squeeze in Skyweavers and Shining Spears into this one. Might be overextending a bit, but it definitely looks fun to play.
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Harlequins) [55 PL, 9CP, 1,035pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment CP
Masque Form: The Frozen Stars: Hysterical Fury
+ Stratagems +
Enigmas of the Black Library (1 Relic) [-1CP]
+ HQ +
Shadowseer [6 PL, -1CP, 115pts]: Shards of Light, Shield From Harm, Shuriken Pistol, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, The Shadowstone, Twilight Pathways, Veil of Illusion
Troupe Master [4 PL, -1CP, 70pts]: Choreographer of War, Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Player of the Light, Prince of Light, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, The Twilight Fang, Warlord
+ Troops +
Troupe [5 PL, 95pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
Troupe [5 PL, 100pts]
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
. Player: Harlequin's Kiss, Shuriken Pistol
Troupe [5 PL, 95pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade
+ Elites +
Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]: Humbling Cruelty
+ Fast Attack +
Skyweavers [15 PL, 270pts]
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Star Bolas
+ Dedicated Transport +
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
Starweaver [4 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon
++ Spearhead Detachment -3CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [51 PL, -3CP, 965pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Craftworld Attribute
. *Custom Craftworld*: Expert Crafters, Masterful Shots
Detachment CP [-3CP]
+ HQ +
Farseer Skyrunner [7 PL, 135pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade
Warlock Skyrunner [4 PL, 65pts]: 4. Protect/Jinx, 5. Focus Will, Shuriken Pistol, Witchblade
+ Troops +
Dire Avengers [3 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, 4x Plasma Grenades
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. . Exarch Power: Bladestorm
Dire Avengers [3 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult, 4x Plasma Grenades
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. . Exarch Power: Bladestorm
+ Fast Attack +
Shining Spears [10 PL, 215pts]
. 5x Shining Spear: 5x Laser Lance, 5x Twin Shuriken Catapult
. Shining Spear Exarch: Star Lance
. . Exarch Power: Skilled Rider
+ Heavy Support +
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
Falcon [8 PL, 140pts]: Spirit Stones, Starcannon, Twin Shuriken Catapult
++ Total: [106 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 16:08:07
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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astro_nomicon wrote:tulun wrote:I am toying with something similar. I think it'll be strong.
I'd probably take 2 of your Falcons with Missile Launchers or Bright lances, just so you have some longer range anti tank to fall back on.
I've heard for Starcannon to AML, it's usually about a 2:1 ratio.
I could see doing that. It would cost me a couple of zephyrglaives or fusion pistols which I'm not keen to drop but it might be a good idea. Think i'd lean towards the AML.
I'm kind of on the fence about the Death Jester but I feel like there are enough matchups beyond Tau where he could be valuable. And even if the overwatch denial doesn't come in to play he's still a pretty cheap and accurate shuriken cannon with some perks I guess?
Death Jester is clutch. -2" move and no overwatch will win you so many games.
Honestly, I'd consider dropping your 4th war walker, free up 70 points, and upgrade your Harlequins / AML. Get more Embraces, Kisses, get that 5th Glaive, upgrade some to AML.
Although most people don't recommend going with FP / non-blade with Quins generally, your stuff is all in transports.. and it gives them the flexibility to hit really hard in CC. Up your harlie toolkit a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 17:51:22
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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I like the list, I'm testing something very similar lately. I don't think you need shining spears though. I would see a third DA squad better, 4th war walker in, and 1/2 death jesters. Consider making your shadowseer warlord and giving him player of the twilight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/23 07:31:21
Subject: [2000] - Harlequin/Eldar - Comp QuinDar V1
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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tulun wrote: astro_nomicon wrote:tulun wrote:I am toying with something similar. I think it'll be strong.
I'd probably take 2 of your Falcons with Missile Launchers or Bright lances, just so you have some longer range anti tank to fall back on.
I've heard for Starcannon to AML, it's usually about a 2:1 ratio.
I could see doing that. It would cost me a couple of zephyrglaives or fusion pistols which I'm not keen to drop but it might be a good idea. Think i'd lean towards the AML.
I'm kind of on the fence about the Death Jester but I feel like there are enough matchups beyond Tau where he could be valuable. And even if the overwatch denial doesn't come in to play he's still a pretty cheap and accurate shuriken cannon with some perks I guess?
Death Jester is clutch. -2" move and no overwatch will win you so many games.
Honestly, I'd consider dropping your 4th war walker, free up 70 points, and upgrade your Harlequins / AML. Get more Embraces, Kisses, get that 5th Glaive, upgrade some to AML.
Although most people don't recommend going with FP / non-blade with Quins generally, your stuff is all in transports.. and it gives them the flexibility to hit really hard in CC. Up your harlie toolkit a bit.
I think you're on the money about the 4th War Walker. Let 'im go. My only "problem" when I started splashing points around was "Why not one more unit of DA's in there?" Granted something about the symmetrical nature of 3 tanks with 3 units inside made me want to do it, but also another shielded ObSec unit for objective purposes sounds real nice. Plus the DA's do a low key good job of shoring the list up against hordes.
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