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2020/08/22 19:54:11
Subject: Best way to build a combined Harlequin / Aeldari / Drukhari Jetbike force?
As I mentioned in my intro post, I'm thinking of building a hybrid Aeldari / Drukhari / Harlequin jetbike force.
What's the best way to do this in the current edition? Would I need to buy three codexes, pick a 'primary' faction and then take the others as allies? Or could I just pick up the Ynnari codex and include jetbikes from all three factions?
Is there a better way to do it that I haven't considered?
Cheers!
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2020/08/22 23:00:01
Subject: Re:Best way to build a combined Harlequin / Aeldari / Drukhari Jetbike force?
Welp, let's kick one idea straight to the kerb - I'm afraid Ynnari never got a Codex. They got an Index, but that simply refers to the units from the other Codexes, so you won't get by with just one book.
Given that problem, right now getting the three other books seems to be your only way forward.
I almost considered advising to wait and hold off until we know more about the new edition Codex rollouts... but at this point, who knows how long it'll be until any of those books are updated, never mind all three.
(added) Just had a thought. You could actually benefit from subscribing to the official 40K app, since subscription gets you access to all 3 books under the one price until the new ones drop.
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2020/08/22 23:01:51
Subject: Best way to build a combined Harlequin / Aeldari / Drukhari Jetbike force?
Well, first off, there's no such thing as a Ynnari codex because that would require GW to put some thought and effort into a faction other than Space Marines.
Unfortunately, the pamphlet of rules that do exist for them miss the entire point of the faction and don't allow you to take the three Eldar factions under the same banner. Plus you'd have to take all 3 of the Ynnari HQs (one in each detachment). Personally, I wouldn't bother.
So I'm afraid whether you go Ynnari or not, you'll have to choose one of the factions as your main one and take the others as allies. Personally, I'd strongly advise you to have Eldar as your primary faction. Not least because they're the only one that actually get Jetbike HQs.
Harlequins have a strong biker unit (Skyweavers), but for HQs you'll probably end up with a Shadowseer. Though he's at least somewhat fast and nimble as footsloggers go, and he does have a psychic power that boosts movement.
As for Drukhari... eh. Their bikers are mediocre and their HQs are awful. You could consider Drazhar for an HQ who's at least worth a damn (though still without Jetbike), though he'd probably be better with a transport.
If you don't mind me asking, are you going for a competitive build here or are you just looking for a specific theme?
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2020/08/22 23:38:04
Subject: Re:Best way to build a combined Harlequin / Aeldari / Drukhari Jetbike force?
Tricky. I'd personally start slowly by working on the core with Craftworlds. A skyrunner HQ, jetbikes and Vypers.
The problem with the other two factions are a lack of bike-orientated HQ units and Craftworlds seems to be the only realistic choice. For the Harlequin part you could have a Troupe Master with their players coupled with a Starweaver, which keeps them in the theme. Maybe the same with a Succubus, Wyches and a Venom?
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2020/08/23 00:47:18
Subject: Best way to build a combined Harlequin / Aeldari / Drukhari Jetbike force?
I'd recommend the 40k app as a cheaper way to get all the rules until the new codexes land.
I don't know how many units you want to include but patrol detachments are the cheapest in terms of CPs or even Auxiliary Support detachments if you don't want to take the HQs.
2020/08/23 06:19:13
Subject: Best way to build a combined Harlequin / Aeldari / Drukhari Jetbike force?
Well, I'd put any Aeldari project on hold these days and wait for the codices.
Space Marines are the dominating force and codex creep will continue when their (combined) codex will be released.
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Restayvien wrote: As I mentioned in my intro post, I'm thinking of building a hybrid Aeldari / Drukhari / Harlequin jetbike force.
What's the best way to do this in the current edition? Would I need to buy three codexes, pick a 'primary' faction and then take the others as allies? Or could I just pick up the Ynnari codex and include jetbikes from all three factions?
Is there a better way to do it that I haven't considered?
Cheers!
Ynnari can only have one kind of Eldar in the same Detachment, so if you must absolutely run all three kinds of Eldar then it will cost CP. If you want to have CP left to play with during the game then you will have to consider how to minimize the CP costs. That means picking one of the factions and building a Patrol or Battalion with your Warlord in it so you get your CP refunded, the downside of a Battalion is that it requires 3 Troops but it allows you to take an extra Fast Attack and HQ choice if you are interested in that. Next, you want to consider whether you'll go for Patrols or Outriders for your other two factions, Patrols cost one less CP and require 1 Troops choice and allows you to take up to 2 Fast Attack choices, while Outriders require you to take 3-6 Fast Attack choices but don't require any Troops. So one question to ask is whether there are any Troops from any of the factions other than your main one you want? If there are then you have to consider whether only 2 Fast Attack choices and 2 HQ choices from that faction are enough, if not then you will need to build a Battalion for that Detachment.
Example list with a Harlequin Sombre Sentinels Outrider, Craftworld Ulthwe Battalion and a Drukhari Red Grief Outrider. You will start with only 4 CP with this list which is very little, I don't think you can build a competitive triple detachment army in 9th but I don't get that's what you're looking for either, just a warning.
Craftworld Attribute: Ulthwe: Foresight of the Damned
+ HQ +
Autarch Skyrunner (Legends) [6 PL, 110pts]: 5: Mark of the Incomparable Hunter, Banshee Mask, Laser Lance, Peerless Agility, Reaper Launcher, Ride the Wind, The Path of Command, Twin Shuriken Catapult
. Blazing Star of Vaul: Remnant of Glory
. Craftworlds Warlord: Warlord
Farseer Skyrunner [7 PL, 135pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Ghosthelm, Psyker (Farseer), Ride the Wind, Rune Armour, Runes of the Farseer, Shuriken Pistol, Twin Shuriken Catapult, Witchblade
Restayvien wrote: As I mentioned in my intro post, I'm thinking of building a hybrid Aeldari / Drukhari / Harlequin jetbike force.
What's the best way to do this in the current edition? Would I need to buy three codexes, pick a 'primary' faction and then take the others as allies? Or could I just pick up the Ynnari codex and include jetbikes from all three factions?
Is there a better way to do it that I haven't considered?
Cheers!
Ynnari can only have one kind of Eldar in the same Detachment, so if you must absolutely run all three kinds of Eldar then it will cost CP. If you want to have CP left to play with during the game then you will have to consider how to minimize the CP costs. That means picking one of the factions and building a Patrol or Battalion with your Warlord in it so you get your CP refunded, the downside of a Battalion is that it requires 3 Troops but it allows you to take an extra Fast Attack and HQ choice if you are interested in that. Next, you want to consider whether you'll go for Patrols or Outriders for your other two factions, Patrols cost one less CP and require 1 Troops choice and allows you to take up to 2 Fast Attack choices, while Outriders require you to take 3-6 Fast Attack choices but don't require any Troops. So one question to ask is whether there are any Troops from any of the factions other than your main one you want? If there are then you have to consider whether only 2 Fast Attack choices and 2 HQ choices from that faction are enough, if not then you will need to build a Battalion for that Detachment.
Example list with a Harlequin Sombre Sentinels Outrider, Craftworld Ulthwe Battalion and a Drukhari Red Grief Outrider. You will start with only 4 CP with this list which is very little, I don't think you can build a competitive triple detachment army in 9th but I don't get that's what you're looking for either, just a warning.
Craftworld Attribute: Ulthwe: Foresight of the Damned
+ HQ +
Autarch Skyrunner (Legends) [6 PL, 110pts]: 5: Mark of the Incomparable Hunter, Banshee Mask, Laser Lance, Peerless Agility, Reaper Launcher, Ride the Wind, The Path of Command, Twin Shuriken Catapult
. Blazing Star of Vaul: Remnant of Glory
. Craftworlds Warlord: Warlord
Farseer Skyrunner [7 PL, 135pts]: 0. Smite, 2. Doom, 4. Executioner, Ghosthelm, Psyker (Farseer), Ride the Wind, Rune Armour, Runes of the Farseer, Shuriken Pistol, Twin Shuriken Catapult, Witchblade
He said he wants to build a biker army and then you tell him you don't understand what he is trying to build. Maybe he doesn't care if he starts on 4cp. He will get 1cp regenerated a turn and there is a Ynarri warlord trait that lets you try and refund a cp usage on a 5+
2020/08/23 13:52:30
Subject: Best way to build a combined Harlequin / Aeldari / Drukhari Jetbike force?
He said he wants to build a biker army and then you tell him you don't understand what he is trying to build. Maybe he doesn't care if he starts on 4cp. He will get 1cp regenerated a turn and there is a Ynarri warlord trait that lets you try and refund a cp usage on a 5+
No, I said (paraphrasing) "I get the sense that you are not trying to build a competitive list", I did not say I didn't get what he was trying to build. If I didn't know he was looking to build a bike list I probably wouldn't have posted a bike list for him.
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