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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:05:37
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Been Around the Block
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Hey, does anyone know what things can get through invulnerable saves?
I know Space Marines have a pyschic power that does, and I know that Vindicare Assassins ignore them. Anything else?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:07:49
Subject: Re:What Goes through Invulns?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Mortal wounds, from Psychic powers (smite etc.), Stratagems and weapons profiles (Volkite weapons, Sniper rifles etc.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:11:39
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Not a ton. As stated, mortal wounds do, the Vindicare Assassin does, Shieldbreaker Missiles on a Castellan do, Chaos Space Marines with the Mark of Tzeentch and Thousand Sons have a psychic power that removes Inv saves from a specific unit within range, and Space Marines have a psychic power that remove Inv saves from all enemies within a very small radius.
Nothing else off the top of my head.
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Galef wrote:If you refuse to use rock, you will never beat scissors. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:12:52
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The Heretic Astartes Psychic Power "Death Hex" doesn't require a Mark of Tzeentch. The Space Marine power is "Null Zone."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:22:04
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Nurglitch wrote:The Heretic Astartes Psychic Power "Death Hex" doesn't require a Mark of Tzeentch. The Space Marine power is "Null Zone."
My mistake; was thinking Weaver of Fates. Yeah, Death Hex is open for all of them.
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Galef wrote:If you refuse to use rock, you will never beat scissors. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:25:36
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Gargantuan Gargant
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I'm pretty sure the Callidus Assassin's phase blade ignores invulnerable saves as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:29:41
Subject: Re:What Goes through Invulns?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Necron have a stratagem where an inv cant be taken against the first melee attack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 14:32:05
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
Ottawa
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It isn't quite the same thing, but Deathwatch Watch Sergeants have the option to take a Xenophase blade that forces the opponent to reroll successful invulnerable saves on attacks made with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 15:00:58
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Volume of saves can get through invuln saves. That's volume of fire + enough ap to push you to where you are stuck on the invuln.
Got a marine you want to kill? Bringing one melta and you can kill him 4 times (dealing all d6+2 of his 2 wounds) over at point blank range. You only forced 1 save, a 50 percent kill. But a plasma can try to kill him exactly 2d once twice times, so better. An heavy bolter can pin him back on his 4++ invuln save to exactly kill him once trice, so better STILL. Shoot him with two heavy bolters and do something to boost your shooting, and suddenly his odds are poor indeedy.
(assuming he has 2W, that is. More and the melta is back in competition.) Point is. The awesome power of killing invuln is foudn in the comment "and I shoot again." Or in the comment "each of these little guys swings 8 times, its some wierdo khorne effect, you will need to make like 90 saves now, HAHAAHAHAH"
Sure, a smite will drop him or strategem deliver a few mortal wounds that can kill him, but you can rarely build a victory on an army of strategems to delete an army of shielded
things in mass numbers. So volume of saves forced is the real way past invlun shields.
Unless you used null zone
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 20:47:53
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tyranids have a relic bio cannon that doesn't allow invuln.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/01 23:39:30
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If the inv save is from an aura e.g. void shield generator, celestine or custodes banner dude then the admech flyers can be built with an aura removing strat negating it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/02 02:14:30
Subject: Re:What Goes through Invulns?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Doesn't the Khornate chaos knights also have something that can turn off invuls for a turn? Can't remember if it's a relic, trait or stratagem though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/02 02:30:49
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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U02dah4 wrote:If the inv save is from an aura e.g. void shield generator, celestine or custodes banner dude then the admech flyers can be built with an aura removing strat negating it
Night Lords can do it with any unit within 18 of whatever's providing the aura for 2CP. Vox Scream ftw.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/02 04:27:12
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Tzeentch daemons have a relic dagger that is ap-5 and prevents invulnerable saves... that you can only give to heralds
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/02 08:21:49
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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For mixed units, EG a unit of 5 models with 1 stormshield, your targeting has an impact. As the rules now state that any model which has had an attack allocated to it this phase must continue to take the hits, you can fire an odd high-AP weapon at the unit, they take it on the shield, then send massed firepower to kill the shield guy without him even using it, then send your high AP weapons at them. You can do this with single units, too; the primaris gun-hedgehog could fire the lastalon first, then all the grenades to kill the stormshield, then the twin lascannon, then the other hundred or so guns it has.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/03 07:55:35
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Death Guard has the relic blade Allwyther that ignores all Invuln Saves
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/03 14:45:09
Subject: Re:What Goes through Invulns?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Custodes have a warlord trait in War of The Spider that reduces invul saves by one (so a 3++ becomes a 4++, etc).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/12 23:10:19
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Sheer number of attacks goes through invonerable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/13 11:13:39
Subject: What Goes through Invulns?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Eldar can cast jinx for -1 on all saves including inv.
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