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2020/09/09 08:02:17
Subject: use strat to deny psychic action?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hi
is it possible to use SPARK OF DIVINITY (Adeptus Custodes Stratagem) to deny the secondary object PSYCHIC RITUAL psychic action? The wording of the stratagem is:
Use this Stratagem when an enemy PSYKER manifests a psychic power within 12" of an ADEPTUS CUSTODES INFANTRY or ADEPTUS CUSTODES BIKER unit from your army. You can take a Deny the Witch test for that units if it were a PSYKER.
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2020/09/09 08:06:57
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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A psychic action is not a psychic power. No, you cant.
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2020/09/09 08:19:13
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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thanks for reply
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2020/09/09 12:52:29
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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You’re wrong. Psychic actions can be denied by taking a deny the witch test.
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2020/09/09 14:31:51
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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 greyknight12 wrote:
You’re wrong. Psychic actions can be denied by taking a deny the witch test.
I am not wrong. What i said is 100% correct. A psychic action is not a psychic power.
I suggest you read the text of the stratagem and try again. When is it played ?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/09 14:33:04
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2020/09/09 14:38:33
Subject: use strat to deny psychic action?
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Fixture of Dakka
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It doesn't work, but truth be told creating a separate cathegory of a pychic action which isn't a psychic power, is opening the door to messy stuff in the future.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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2020/09/09 15:56:23
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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This isn't YMDC you know.
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Disclaimer - I am a Games Workshop Shareholder. |
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2020/09/11 13:20:47
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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*teleport noise*
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2020/09/11 14:49:17
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Look, now its YMDC 
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2020/09/11 22:11:12
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Confessor Of Sins
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As others have said, a Psychic action is not a Psychic power. GW has defined the rules to work in a identical manner, but has never once said they are the same. If they were, they could have shortened the entire Psychic Action section to reflect that.
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2020/09/11 22:20:31
Subject: Re:use strat to deny psychic action?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As shown previously, all you need to be allowed to deny a psychic action is to be a PSYKER, which is true for non-psykers when resolving any rule pertaining to deny the witch (as the psychic actions rule does) if the unit otherwise has a rule (e.g. a Strat, Warpord trait, etc..).
I.e. just having the option makes you be treated as a PSYKER and deny the action under the rare rules / resolving psychic action rules, even without actually spending the CP for the Strat (which you would need to do to deny a power).
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2020/09/12 01:03:44
Subject: use strat to deny psychic action?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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At the risk that anyone reading this thread might be misled, please see the other thread on the same topic. Sunny's interpretation is both incorrect and not endorsed by anyone else.
Based on the rules as currently written, only psykers can attempt to deny a psychic action. See the other thread for the whole argument, where you are welcome to decide for yourself which side has presented the more convincing argument.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/791883.page
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2020/09/12 02:52:06
Subject: use strat to deny psychic action?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you plan to take psykers, this edition being as new as it is, and you plan to make this rule and its interpretation potentially game winning for either you or your opponent depending on how its read, by all means, be not stupid, discuss it with him before the game. Even if you think you are 1000 percent sure you are right and some guy is wrong. Cause your friend, if he doesn't think that way, may end up butt hurt when its not necessary to hurt anyone in the butt.
In summary, discuss it first, avoid butts hurting later.
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2020/09/12 23:52:26
Subject: use strat to deny psychic action?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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yukishiro1 wrote:At the risk that anyone reading this thread might be misled, please see the other thread on the same topic. Sunny's interpretation is both incorrect and not endorsed by anyone else.
Based on the rules as currently written, only psykers can attempt to deny a psychic action. See the other thread for the whole argument, where you are welcome to decide for yourself which side has presented the more convincing argument.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/791883.page
Yep sunny interpretation was proved wrong by everyone
Deny the witch does not allow you to deny a psychic action
You need to be a psyker
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