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Obviously it's complete speculation at this point but just wondering what people's thoughts are on whether we are likely to see more options in 40K to use some of the 30k legion stuff not already ported over such as the Aquitor Bombard or Sabre Strike?
Or do you think they'll more likely reduce options?

Well, one would hope that the geniuses would like even more $ & realize that if they gave 40k rules to more things....

But it's GW, so it's anyones guess atm.

they allready culled over an additional 100 without going into the squatting of Elyisians and R&H

I would be far more interested in the Ad Mech stuff to be honest.

Isn't part of the distinction of what makes Heresy, well, 'Heresy' is that there's a lot of technology that was lost after it. No I'm not talking Chaos and there loss of Land Speeders, etc but all of the old Legion equipment, supply lines, forgeworlds, etc was destroyed during the Heresy/Post-Heresy.

What I'd like - to keep that distinction so there's less Heresy units in 40K. A Leviathan should be a relic for the 1st/2nd Foundings (and exceedingly rare at that) and not in every list/table available.

What will likely happen - ALL non-Legion specific units (so not the Terminators/special units/characters) will have 40k rules because fluff/distinction between 2 game systems be damned

ccs wrote:
Well, one would hope that the geniuses would like even more $ & realize that if they gave 40k rules to more things....

But it's GW, so it's anyones guess atm.

It would also be totally illogical in game. 40k's whole point is they lose tech. Having 40k be 30k+1 makes no sense. It's 30k that should have most tech

tneva82 wrote:

ccs wrote:
Well, one would hope that the geniuses would like even more $ & realize that if they gave 40k rules to more things....

But it's GW, so it's anyones guess atm.

It would also be totally illogical in game. 40k's whole point is they lose tech. Having 40k be 30k+1 makes no sense. It's 30k that should have most tech

--> Primaris.

Not Online!!! wrote:
they allready culled over an additional 100 without going into the squatting of Elyisians and R&H

Very much this they have confirmed the number of datasheets in the new FW book and it's culled a lot of them from the index's anyone expecting new units is going to be sadly disappointed.

Not to mention that I'm waiting for the next news to be the GW team have give the new index 8th edition stats so all the FW units are trash.

tneva82 wrote:

ccs wrote:
Well, one would hope that the geniuses would like even more $ & realize that if they gave 40k rules to more things....

But it's GW, so it's anyones guess atm.

It would also be totally illogical in game. 40k's whole point is they lose tech. Having 40k be 30k+1 makes no sense. It's 30k that should have most tech

Logic. In 40k.....
It's a big universe. I'm sure there's a few pieces of whatever out there somewhere.
Slap some restrictions on it ala Relic rules, game size limits, maybe certain ranks of warlords/commanders required, etc & take my $.

ccs wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

ccs wrote:
Well, one would hope that the geniuses would like even more $ & realize that if they gave 40k rules to more things....

But it's GW, so it's anyones guess atm.

It would also be totally illogical in game. 40k's whole point is they lose tech. Having 40k be 30k+1 makes no sense. It's 30k that should have most tech

Logic. In 40k.....
It's a big universe. I'm sure there's a few pieces of whatever out there somewhere.
Slap some restrictions on it ala Relic rules, game size limits, maybe certain ranks of warlords/commanders required, etc & take my $.

Something like "You make take ONE of the following vehicles in your army", and then have various 'ancient' vehicles listed, wouldnt be overly unrealistic.

Even if a Chapter had multiple remaining, and functional, examples of a vehicle, it would be some desperate need that caused them to field even one.

I think tbh the lack of tech argument doesn't work in the same world where we have named characters. Is it such a leap to believe that an Ultramarines force that includes Guilliman can manage to requisition one of the few remaining leviathan dreads etc?
For me options are always nice, so long as those options are balanced I think making some of those units available can only help the game...

Entirely agree.

Even if only a single Leviathan remained in the entire galaxy, it still exists and could be requested, so makes sense to allow such things.

The "Relic" rule sort of works to limit fielding too many things that are in short supply, just a tiny leap to have it more restrictive.

It would make sense if the legions had access to all the 30k stuff while the Chapters didnt.

For some warbands, the HH was a few hours ago, no reason for them to have lost their toys.

Also, feth loyalists for getting volkite back before the legions.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would be far more interested in the Ad Mech stuff to be honest.

Mechanicum wasn't selling well enough for them to update the draft "Fires of Cyraxus" to 8th - I doubt that's changed.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
It would make sense if the legions had access to all the 30k stuff while the Chapters didnt.

For some warbands, the HH was a few hours ago, no reason for them to have lost their toys.

Something like WW2 games do - early-war, mid-war & late-war lists with different options in each?

 Mr Morden wrote:
I would be far more interested in the Ad Mech stuff to be honest.

All of us AdMech players are, to be honest.

I need rules for my damn Thanatar!

beast_gts wrote:

Something like WW2 games do - early-war, mid-war & late-war lists with different options in each?

That could be explored, IF the csm codex sees a higher level of customization. Renegades not having a sabre tank makes sense but Iron Warriors not having some left doesnt make as much sense.

I suspect if it was on sale when they made the book and not a Legion specific unit, it will be in the index. More recent releases will not.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
It would make sense if the legions had access to all the 30k stuff while the Chapters didnt.

For some warbands, the HH was a few hours ago, no reason for them to have lost their toys.

Also, feth loyalists for getting volkite back before the legions.

Agreed. The Legions should have access to Legion vehicles and equipment. Giving them greater access to such things while restricting them for thin blooded 57th founding chapters would make sense and make a distinction between the two factions. Loyalists should use the newer Cawl designed equipment while The Legions would use ancient vehicles and weapons from the dawn of the Imperium. Ancient warriors using ancient technology vs the new breed of astartes with their new weapons of war.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
It would make sense if the legions had access to all the 30k stuff while the Chapters didnt.

For some warbands, the HH was a few hours ago, no reason for them to have lost their toys.

Also, feth loyalists for getting volkite back before the legions.

Agreed. The Legions should have access to Legion vehicles and equipment. Giving them greater access to such things while restricting them for thin blooded 57th founding chapters would make sense and make a distinction between the two factions. Loyalists should use the newer Cawl designed equipment while The Legions would use ancient vehicles and weapons from the dawn of the Imperium. Ancient warriors using ancient technology vs the new breed of astartes with their new weapons of war.

And for the love of god, give me land speeders for my nightlords :(

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
It would make sense if the legions had access to all the 30k stuff while the Chapters didnt.

For some warbands, the HH was a few hours ago, no reason for them to have lost their toys.

Also, feth loyalists for getting volkite back before the legions.

Agreed. The Legions should have access to Legion vehicles and equipment. Giving them greater access to such things while restricting them for thin blooded 57th founding chapters would make sense and make a distinction between the two factions. Loyalists should use the newer Cawl designed equipment while The Legions would use ancient vehicles and weapons from the dawn of the Imperium. Ancient warriors using ancient technology vs the new breed of astartes with their new weapons of war.

This is honestly the perfect outcome. Also god knows the SM dex doesn’t need more bloat. It’s already got multiple eras worth of units in there let’s hold it at that

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
It would make sense if the legions had access to all the 30k stuff while the Chapters didnt.

For some warbands, the HH was a few hours ago, no reason for them to have lost their toys.

Also, feth loyalists for getting volkite back before the legions.

Agreed. The Legions should have access to Legion vehicles and equipment. Giving them greater access to such things while restricting them for thin blooded 57th founding chapters would make sense and make a distinction between the two factions. Loyalists should use the newer Cawl designed equipment while The Legions would use ancient vehicles and weapons from the dawn of the Imperium. Ancient warriors using ancient technology vs the new breed of astartes with their new weapons of war.

And for the love of god, give me land speeders for my nightlords :(

I'd rather have the hh jetbikes. Imagine those things covered in spikes, blades, and "trophies" with members of the Eighth Legion swooping down on their enemies wielding chainglaives. If any Legion could pull off "40k Black Skulls" it would be the Night Lords.

Nitro Zeus wrote:[m

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
It would make sense if the legions had access to all the 30k stuff while the Chapters didnt.

For some warbands, the HH was a few hours ago, no reason for them to have lost their toys.

Also, feth loyalists for getting volkite back before the legions.

Agreed. The Legions should have access to Legion vehicles and equipment. Giving them greater access to such things while restricting them for thin blooded 57th founding chapters would make sense and make a distinction between the two factions. Loyalists should use the newer Cawl designed equipment while The Legions would use ancient vehicles and weapons from the dawn of the Imperium. Ancient warriors using ancient technology vs the new breed of astartes with their new weapons of war.

This is honestly the perfect outcome. Also god knows the SM dex doesn’t need more bloat. It’s already got multiple eras worth of units in there let’s hold it at that

I think so too. And csm without fw just feel incomplete. Legionnaires should have legion weapons and vehicles.

I hope not a single more unit from 30k goes to 40k. The lines has been blurred enough already

 godardc wrote:
I hope not a single more unit from 30k goes to 40k. The lines has been blurred enough already

What lines? In the fluff, the 30k stuff still exists in 40k


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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

I'd rather have the hh jetbikes. Imagine those things covered in spikes, blades, and "trophies" with members of the Eighth Legion swooping down on their enemies wielding chainglaives. If any Legion could pull off "40k Black Skulls" it would be the Night Lords.

why not both?

I couldn't agree more with much of the above. In universe, the idea of wider access to 30K equipment and units for CSM in 40K makes total sense.

Outside of the fluff, it'd be a cost effective and relatively low effort way for GW to further differentiate Loyalist and Chaos/Renegade Marines.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 godardc wrote:
I hope not a single more unit from 30k goes to 40k. The lines has been blurred enough already

What lines? In the fluff, the 30k stuff still exists in 40

To be fair, this didn't use to be true, a lot of stuff was retconned or had new fluff added to explain its appearance outside of the HH.

Odder still is the stuff that was 40k, got retconned to being 30k, then retconned back to still sometimes existing in 40k

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

I'd rather have the hh jetbikes. Imagine those things covered in spikes, blades, and "trophies" with members of the Eighth Legion swooping down on their enemies wielding chainglaives. If any Legion could pull off "40k Black Skulls" it would be the Night Lords.

why not both?

I wouldn't have a problem with csm getting land speeders, but I would expect it to cause complaints of "Chaos just wants everything the Imperium has" from loyalists players.

StrayIight wrote:I couldn't agree more with much of the above. In universe, the idea of wider access to 30K equipment and units for CSM in 40K makes total sense.

Outside of the fluff, it'd be a cost effective and relatively low effort way for GW to further differentiate Loyalist and Chaos/Renegade Marines.

Agreed. Unfortunately gw's preferred method of differentiating csm from loyalists always seems to be "More daemon engines!".