Imperial Assassins and Inquisitors In Brood Brothers Detachments

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**Lysit**

It appears brood brother detachments don't lose the Imperial keyword, as such, I can't find a reason why you couldn't include a Assassin or Inquisitor in a brood brothers detachment, given they don't need to share a faction keyword with other detachments.

"An AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit included in a Patrol, Battalion or Brigade Detachment in this manner is ignored for any rules that state all units from that Detachment must have at least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. in a matched play game), and when determining your Army Faction."

Am I missing somewhere the IMPERIAL faction keyword should be traded for TYRANID keyword for brood brother detachments?

**Bilge Rat**

You need to have a Genestealer cults detachment before you can take a Brood Brothers detachment. Assassins and Inquisitors do not have GENESTEALER CULTS or TYRANIDS as faction keywords so they cannot be included in the same army as the Genestealer detachment.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

Not to sound like too much of a jerk, but how would you literally explain an Inquisitor attached to a psychically reactive group of xenos? That would have to be the single dumbest inquisitor ever, or actively working against the unit.

Also, just for fluff debate:

Has there ever been a Genestealer infestation that went above General rank? Because you need pretty high clearance to req an assasssin. They would have to "make an appeal" to Terra for the asset.

**Yarium**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Not to sound like too much of a jerk, but how would you literally explain an Inquisitor attached to a psychically reactive group of xenos? That would have to be the single dumbest inquisitor ever, or actively working against the unit.

Also, just for fluff debate:

Has there ever been a Genestealer infestation that went above General rank? Because you need pretty high clearance to req an assasssin. They would have to "make an appeal" to Terra for the asset.

There can always be a fluff justification! The Inquisitor, unbeknowst to others, has fallen under the sway of a Patriarch's mind control. While all Inquisitors in the rules are psykers, in the fluff they aren't - so this one might not have been, but could still issue some frightening orders!

**Lysit**

Bilge Rat wrote:
You need to have a Genestealer cults detachment before you can take a Brood Brothers detachment. Assassins and Inquisitors do not have GENESTEALER CULTS or TYRANIDS as faction keywords so they cannot be included in the same army as the Genestealer detachment.

Do they need to? This states they ignore the faction keyword.
"An AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit included in a Patrol, Battalion or Brigade Detachment in this manner is ignored for any rules that state all units from that Detachment must have at least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. in a matched play game), and when determining your Army Faction."

**Ghaz**

From page 35 of Psychic Awakening: Pariah:

You can include one AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit in each IMPERIUM (excluding FALLEN) Patrol, Battalion and Brigade Detachment in your army without those units taking up slots in those Detachments. The inclusion of an AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit does not prevent other units from their Detachment from benefiting from Detachment abilities (e.g. Chapter Tactics, Defenders of Humanity, etc.), and it does not prevent other units from your army from benefiting from abilities that require every model in your army to have that ability (e.g. Combat Doctrines, etc.).

**Niiai**

Whaaaaaat? Can I include eveb more assassins in my GSC? All hail the four armed emperor?

Do they (imperial guard) not change from imperium to brood brothers when they change over?

**Ice_can**

Ghaz wrote:
From page 35 of Psychic Awakening: Pariah:

You can include one AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit in each IMPERIUM (excluding FALLEN) Patrol, Battalion and Brigade Detachment in your army without those units taking up slots in those Detachments. The inclusion of an AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit does not prevent other units from their Detachment from benefiting from Detachment abilities (e.g. Chapter Tactics, Defenders of Humanity, etc.), and it does not prevent other units from your army from benefiting from abilities that require every model in your army to have that ability (e.g. Combat Doctrines, etc.).

You sure that's everything as the assasins rules used to require an Imperium warlord, which GSC wont have.

**skchsan**

Psi emitters have been known to disrupt the psychic link that binds the hive mind and its subjugates.

**p5freak**

Ice_can wrote:

You sure that's everything as the assasins rules used to require an Imperium warlord, which GSC wont have.

An imperium warlord is required if you want to use a vanguard detachment with multiple assassins.

Execution Force
If your Warlord has the IMPERIUM keyword (excluding FALLEN), you can include this unit in your army as part of a Vanguard Detachment even if that Detachment contains no HQ units. If you do so, that Detachment’s Command Benefits are changed to ‘None’ and its Restrictions are changed to ‘This Detachment cannot include the same datasheet more than once.’

You can include a single assassin in each patrol, battalion, and brigade detachment that has the IMPERIUM keyword.

Agent of the Imperium
If your army is Battle-forged, you can include 1 AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit in each IMPERIUM (excluding FALLEN) Patrol, Battalion and Brigade Detachment in your army without those units taking up slots in those Detachments. The inclusion of an AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit does not prevent other units from their Detachment from benefiting from Detachment abilities (e.g. Chapter Tactics, Defenders of Humanity etc.), and it does not prevent other units from your army benefiting from abilities that require every model in your army to have that ability (e.g. Combat Doctrines). An AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM unit included in a Patrol, Battalion or Brigade Detachment in this manner is ignored for any rules that state all units from that Detachment must have at least one Faction keyword in common (e.g. in a matched play game) and when determining your Army Faction.

**Ice_can**

Ohh GW you had one job, the WD artical actually had this writen to require an Imperium warlord for either.

**p5freak**

The WD article was replaced by new rules from PA pariah.

**Ice_can**

p5freak wrote:
The WD article was replaced by new rules from PA pariah.

I know but they ducked up a simple copy past job.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

I found sweet joy in telling my store friend who mains Nids, that his GSC faction can't use baneblades.

**Bilge Rat**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I found sweet joy in telling my store friend who mains Nids, that his GSC faction can't use baneblades.

Why exactly? It used to be possible

**tneva82**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Not to sound like too much of a jerk, but how would you literally explain an Inquisitor attached to a psychically reactive group of xenos? That would have to be the single dumbest inquisitor ever, or actively working against the unit.

Same way how the imperial guard are? Implanted, mind controlled. The IG forces aren't willing participiants either.

That's actually rather easy fluff justification for Inquisitor. Getting implanted and mind controlled works for them as well. Should work for assasin too.

**Niiai**

Read the description of the four armed emperor genestealer cult. An inquisitor was checking them out. Only to get a bit fat "Everything is OK here. Also, no need to go look a second time. Signed inquisitor such and such."

While he is stil unacounted for it might not be the case he is dead. Cult of the four armed emperor is described as being the cult with their eyes on the ball. It would make sence to keep a brainwashed inquisitor alive in an advisery position.

We at least know the cult managed to exstract enough information to send a messagr back.

But back to the rules. Is it allowed, yes or no?

**Dukeofstuff**

Another question I have is, can GSC ally in dkok infantry as brood brothers, even if they lose their special rules for dkok indoctrination (like ignore morale effects)?