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1. Is £85 good value for the new deathwatch box? Compared to what you get in some start collecting! Boxes this seems like it’s well over priced.

2. Does deathwatch going full primaris make sense. It’s made up of top soldiers with special skills from all different chapters. So it would be made of a blend of primaris and old marine and mostly old marines at the minute. Have primaris been around long enough that enough of them would have earned a spot in the deathwatch considering many heroic deeds go un seen

1. Yeah, this has been picked up on in the upcoming releases thread in News & Rumours. It's definitely pricier, but I believe you do still make a saving on buying the contents individually. Bearing in mind the new SW Combat Patrol box is in the same boat... it seems the older Start Collecting boxes may be going the way of the dodo.

2. Fluff-wise I think Primaris have been around for a good couple of hundred years at least? So that's absolutely enough time for some to make their way into the Deathwatch. As you say, it should still really be a mix though.

Value-wise the new box is fine as long as you actually need all of those units. The lieutenant is questionable in DW. Slightly less savings than I'd like.

The older start collecting box was less expensive but you got less, and Artemis was never good.

 Super Ready wrote:
1. Yeah, this has been picked up on in the upcoming releases thread in News & Rumours. It's definitely pricier, but I believe you do still make a saving on buying the contents individually. Bearing in mind the new SW Combat Patrol box is in the same boat... it seems the older Start Collecting boxes may be going the way of the dodo.

2. Fluff-wise I think Primaris have been around for a good couple of hundred years at least? So that's absolutely enough time for some to make their way into the Deathwatch. As you say, it should still really be a mix though.

Long enough that they deploy a full chapter of primaris marines using the same squads etc that UM might do for example. Considering they aren’t issued with primaries they have to recruit from other chapters?

mrFickle wrote:
Long enough that they deploy a full chapter of primaris marines using the same squads etc that UM might do for example. Considering they aren’t issued with primaries they have to recruit from other chapters?

This was my thinking too. It wouldn't be unusual to have the odd Primaris here and there, but certainly not as many as a standard Chapter just yet.
Then again, there might be some fluff covering this in the new book, who knows? (Maybe DW seeing how effective Primaris are and putting out a call to all Chapters saying "hey, share the love people, we want some!").

Whilst I don't currently play my original 40k hobby buddy plays DW and was of the view the "value" has been fluffed a bit with the HQs and absurdly priced upgrade sprues

 Super Ready wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Long enough that they deploy a full chapter of primaris marines using the same squads etc that UM might do for example. Considering they aren’t issued with primaries they have to recruit from other chapters?

This was my thinking too. It wouldn't be unusual to have the odd Primaris here and there, but certainly not as many as a standard Chapter just yet.
Then again, there might be some fluff covering this in the new book, who knows? (Maybe DW seeing how effective Primaris are and putting out a call to all Chapters saying "hey, share the love people, we want some!").

I always thought deathwatch were supposed to be a bit more special than that, members of other chapters called up for having special skills for specific missions etc. The lack of options in primaris unit moves DW further I to the realms of being the same as all the other chapters

mrFickle wrote:
1. Is £85 good value for the new deathwatch box? Compared to what you get in some start collecting! Boxes this seems like it’s well over priced.

2. Does deathwatch going full primaris make sense. It’s made up of top soldiers with special skills from all different chapters. So it would be made of a blend of primaris and old marine and mostly old marines at the minute. Have primaris been around long enough that enough of them would have earned a spot in the deathwatch considering many heroic deeds go un seen

1. No. Patrols are terrible. You're much better off getting start collecting vanguard or start collecting space marines + DW upgrade sprue. Though the problem is most vanguard pads are part of the arm and it would involve cutting them off, simply painting the arm silver, or some creative modelling. Funnily enough, if you really want to buy patrol box SW one is actually better for DW.

2. Not only primaris had veterans with centuries of experience even at the start, after two big crusades RG did there is no more difference in quality anymore. Then you have squatmarines who have been upgraded to primaris, who says your DW kill team isn't made up from these?

Quasistellar wrote:
The lieutenant is questionable in DW. Slightly less savings than I'd like.

The older start collecting box was less expensive but you got less, and Artemis was never good.

Questionable how? And even if you really don't need him, you're one spare rifle off intercessor away from converting him into a captain, he is fancy enough for that already.

Old SC had excellent value and even if you didn't like Artemis, convering him into chaplain or captain with spare veteran bits took seconds.

The DW box is so strange it has the same models as the old SW start collecting had, with a apothecary added to it and for what ever reason 10$ more then buy the old SW+apothecary box would be.

Funnily enough, if BA leaks are true, BA box is another much better one for DW than actual DW one. 2x HQ is really dumb move, why not add 5x Infiltrators or something instead of an apothecary?

I'd say no. The only model you have a real reason to want as DW in the box is the intercessors, I guess, which have 1 good trick in the dw strat list that really makes them stand out against other chapters. But there's no real reason to go for DW aggressors over other chapters, apoth is...fine i guess for DW.

SC: Vanguard is a much much better place to start for primaris dw.gets you most of the pieces to what people are talking about as the 'meta' setup for primaris dw: 5x Infiltrators, 5x Eliminators, Phobos Librarian.