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So,

I know a lot of folks are head over heels about the invader but I am not so sure. The thing that I keep seeing is the "but the apothecray!" comment in conjunction with the invader. I think this isn't really a thing. In order for this to work the invader needs to keep pace with the slower apothecary. Same thing with all character buffs. Not sure if a slower invader is worth it...but maybe it is?

I was looking it as it and for 30 points more the attack bikes (6 v 3 invaders) get 18 HB shots that have a better range and damage than the 24 gatling shots. Also, the attack bike will have more bolter shots. Same wounds, toughness and armor. The biggest difference being anything that is "primaris" specific.

I kinda think the attack bike has the advantage. The extra 30 points for a possible extra 12 attacks is pretty darn good IMO.

Thoughts? Am I missing something?

ender502

Attack bikes are pretty good. Although all I have heard are the plans to use them for multi meltas.

they are a decent platform for MM's...but the way the points change (+5 v +10) shifts things a bit back toward the invader imo. At +20 points, 5 attack bikes will still out shoout 3 invaders with MM's the invaders 10 to 6. But the wounds ratio changes and the invaders become more durable in total. There is always a point to be made for invaders having a fully functional weapon after taking 7 wounds (which is the average of 2 las cannon shots) v the attack bikes losing 2 shots. The durability issue isn't too important IMO because the attack bike swill still put out more shots after 7 wounds...8 to 6.

ender502