Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

As in which chapter will have the first Second batch member rise to prominence. Purposely excluding First borns that were given the upgrade. Strictly talking Version 2.0 base only. I'm gonna have to say Ultras, just based off GW's love of them.

well the ultramarines already have Felix whose become pretty prominant, however if you mean what one will get a mini first my bet is on Raven guard, white scars or iron hands, as they all only have one special character as the other chapters all have multipe characters of which is in need of an update. frankly I'd be shocked if any of the "big four" got new characters when they already have so many old ones who need to cross the rubicon

Isn't there already a named Primaris Lieutenant for the Dark Angel that had a datasheet, a special relic and anything else?

He is the first one.

P.S: he is Zakariah

 Cybtroll wrote:
Isn't there already a namef Primaris Lieutenant for the Dark Angel that had a datasheet, a special relic and anything else?

He is the first one.

nope he was a firstborn who crossed the Rubicon

Don't IH, IF, and Salamanders all have primaris heros?

 troa wrote:
Don't IH, IF, and Salamanders all have primaris heros?

While they're all new to the actual game in rules/model terms - their fluff states they're all previous Firstborn that underwent the Rubicon.

Right, that's my point. Which Chapter will have the first pure Primaris Hero/Fluff Character?

It has to be the Ultras, becuase GW doesn't care about any of the other chapters fluff-wise.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Right, that's my point. Which Chapter will have the first pure Primaris Hero/Fluff Character?

It has to be the Ultras, becuase GW doesn't care about any of the other chapters fluff-wise.

right the masssive line of codex supplments for all of the first founding chapters is proof GW only cares about Ultramarines, In fact given the codex supplements I suspect it's more likely that we'll see this from a chapter OTHER then Ultramarines. ultramarines ahve a TON of eistablished characters who can undergo the rubicon. if say... ravenguard 2.0 comes out it's a safe bet GW'll release a new character for it. so yeah... I think it's LESS likely to be the Ultramarines, because their next primaris char is more likely to be primaris cassius or primaris cato etc. this BTW also applies to the rest of the "big four"

Please. The codex supplements don't outweigh the overwhelming amount of art and fluff centered around the Ultras. All the posters, art, and promo stuff is ultras. Hell, even the box art on a pack of guys is Ultras. There is a clear marketing bias towards the Ultras. GW is pushuing them hard, just not in rules. The learn to paint kits are focused around painting Ultras. Given their urge to see more Blue Marines, it's funny that the rules team didn't make them less crappy in comparison to other chapters.

It seems you already made up your mind and none of Brians reasonable arguments will be enough to make you think otherwize.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
It seems you already made up your mind and none of Brians reasonable arguments will be enough to make you think otherwize.

^This seems to be accurate... However, I find the topic interesting myself, so I am going to jump in for anyone who doesn't believe it must be Ultramarines.

If I had to make a guess I would say it will either be a White Scars biker character of some kind or an Imperial Fist(or possibly a Crimson Fist). The Crimson Fists would make an interesting choice since it is a second founding chapter which you could say separates them just a bit more from firstborns than the original chapters.

I think this would be a cool opportunity to make a named bike captain for the White Scars. I am not a White Scars player, but I think that could be an interesting one to add.

Honestly, what I would really like to see is an established firstborn marine character killed off, and then they bring in a new pure primaris character to fill his vacated role. I know it would anger people(what doesn't?), but it would lend credence to the whole notion that everything is terrible for the Imperium right now if an established character in the lore/game was permanently killed off.

What are some old character models that need updated? Pick one of those guys, kill him off, and then bring in a new character to replace him.

What can we use to claim "Hero Status". I would say The character must have at least one of the following:

1. Named Character model/Codex entry
2. Book devoted to their exploits/adventure
3. a Lore break in their favor: A lone Primaris is inducted into the Grey Knights, or a Primaris is made into a Chapter Master.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
3. a Lore break in their favor: A lone Primaris is inducted into the Grey Knights, or a Primaris is made into a Chapter Master.

Well, we should already have Primaris Chapter Masters from Ultima Founding Chapters, but I'm guessing they don't count. And the first part of this point tells me you don't understand the Grey Knights all that much...

Well, *technically* the Primaris Captain from Shadowspear and Dark Imperium are the same guy. Does that count as "pure Primaris hero", or are you after actual unique datasheet Primaris hero?

If so, I'm also going to agree that just because Ultramarines have the most exposure, it doesn't mean they'll get the first unique Primaris. If GW wanted more named Primaris characters, they could go through Telion, Chronus, Cassius and Sicarius before they even need to consider new characters.
I'm expecting a Decimus Felix model from some kind of BL collaboration at some point, but for now, it's anyone's game.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
What can we use to claim "Hero Status". I would say The character must have at least one of the following:

1. Named Character model/Codex entry
2. Book devoted to their exploits/adventure
3. a Lore break in their favor: A lone Primaris is inducted into the Grey Knights, or a Primaris is made into a Chapter Master.

If those are your criteria, then Tolmeron or Zachariah would fill that - they're named models. Alternatively, ones like Sergeant Jovan or Lieutenant Amulius, or Lieutenant Calsius - all named models, even if they don't have unique datasheets.

Regarding books about them - Decimus Felix, you could argue, already has that. Dark Imperium uses him as the focal character for a great deal.

besides if we use this criteria an aweful lot of people whom most people would call fairly major characters don't qualify.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
If those are your criteria, then Tolmeron or Zachariah would fill that - they're named models.

Not really. Yes, there is name on a box, but all the model is on table is generic lieutenant. Ditto for BA terminator captain - we technically know it's supposed to be Karlaen, but it's just generic dude in game, and none of these are mentioned in the Codex books in army section.

Funnily enough, depending on his fluff, the answer is possibly Captain Nasiem of the Tome Keepers, not any of the big 9

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Honestly, what I would really like to see is an established firstborn marine character killed off, and then they bring in a new pure primaris character to fill his vacated role. I know it would anger people(what doesn't?), but it would lend credence to the whole notion that everything is terrible for the Imperium right now if an established character in the lore/game was permanently killed off.

But would they really need to permanently kill a character off? I don't know what his status is now, but they killed Captain Erasmus Tycho of the Blood Angels off in the fluff, but in 6th and 7th you could still field him either as normal, or in his Death Company version. Since I've stopped playing 40k in 7th, I don't know if Captain Tycho's stats are still in the 8th ed. BA codex.

While Ultramarines are the current poster boys, remember when Rogue Trader launched the Crimson Fists were the the poster boys. It would be a fine tribute to the game's origins if the first Primaris hero was a Crimson Fist. I'd like him to be an Assault Intercessor, who'd get bonuses against Orks, again keeping with RT era Crimson Fist lore.

I like that idea about the Crimson Fists!

But I also like the idea of it being Dark Angel. Just because that's how I got into the hobby waay back in the day....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAMv5gN7u94

BrianDavion wrote:

 Cybtroll wrote:
Isn't there already a namef Primaris Lieutenant for the Dark Angel that had a datasheet, a special relic and anything else?

He is the first one.

nope he was a firstborn who crossed the Rubicon

I'm pretty sure he was replying directly to your comment that you'd be surprised if any of the big four got a brand new character, and I'm pretty sure he was actually thinking about Master Lazarus considering the DA Primaris lt. isnt an actual named character

Blood angles were the chapter that were decimated in the fluff so they had to be re stocked with primaris soldiers. So really it has to be them because BA don’t have many first borne left

Possibly from one of the Chapters that were wiped out and rebuilt with Primaris? Scythes of the Emperor feature in 'Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work' and haven't had much love in the past (and are an Ultramarine successor).

My belief is the first full Primaris will actually come from a completely different direction. An Ultima Founding chapter. Similar to when the Crimson Slaughter were introduced for chaos, I believe when the time is right, GW will put a focus on a particular Ultima Founding chapter, and introduce a named character along with it. This character should be a non-Ascended Primaris by default.

My guess is it will be the Silver Templars, as there was already a mini-codex for them, so I imagine they'll continue to get some modicum of support.

Mentioning the Silver Templars has reminded me - was the Conquest exclusive Lieutenant Calsius an upgraded Firstborn?

jareddm wrote:
My belief is the first full Primaris will actually come from a completely different direction. An Ultima Founding chapter. Similar to when the Crimson Slaughter were introduced for chaos, I believe when the time is right, GW will put a focus on a particular Ultima Founding chapter, and introduce a named character along with it. This character should be a non-Ascended Primaris by default.

My guess is it will be the Silver Templars, as there was already a mini-codex for them, so I imagine they'll continue to get some modicum of support.

That makes a lot of sense, especially since GW is pushing the new Primaris lines, and dropping the older Firstborn models/kits.

Isn’t master Lazarus a Primaris with a model who was the first DA Primaris to be inducted in to the inner circle so my guess is him.