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Hello I havnt played 40k since 5th is this list absolute trash?
I like chimeras and sentinels but I think they are understrength so I just added more Helvinger.
I dont have either codex and I'm not sure what stratagems are best to take.
What houses are good for Helvrins?



Cadian Plasma/ Knight Helvinger [11CP, 2,000pts]
Battalion Detachment (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [1,475pts]

Regimental Doctrine
Selections: Regiment: Cadian

Agents of the Imperium
Culexus Assassin

HQ [97pts]
Company Commander
Boltgun
Lord Castellan Creed
Warlord

Troops [342pts]
(X6) Infantry Squad

Plasma gun

Sergeant
Boltgun, Chainsword



Elites [238pts]
(X2) Command Squad [2 PL, 64pts]
(X4) Plasma gun

Colour Sgt Kell


(X2)Special Weapons Squad [45pts]
(X3)Plasma gun

Fast Attack [ 165]
(X3) Armored Sentinel
(X3) Plasma Cannon

Heavy Support [198pts]
(X3)Heavy Weapons Squad [66pts]
(X3)Missile launcher



Super-Heavy Detachment (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [835pts]

Household Choice
Selections: House <Mixed>, Questor Allegiance <Mixed>

Lord of War [835pts]
(X3) Armiger Helverins
(X2) Armiger Warglaive

Incidentally, I believe this list could be used in normal garage games (good) or friendly local small tournament (not the strongest but not the worst, maybe) but would struggle severely in anything like a GT tournament. That was the question you asked, really.

Lascannon squads are very vulnerable in ninth, as their long range fire is often limited by intervening terrain features and the 6 bodies do a bad job protecting 3 lascans. They can't move without losing most of their cadian related aiming (rerolls) and losing a point of bs as well, and thus, they are going ot be firing at 5+bs and then getting wiped by even casual return fire.

Is my thought, anyway.

Thank you duke for taking time to reply to my post and giving some solide advice. I was playiong around with the Idea of plasma cannon sentinel spam with helvrins as well. At least the goal woulod be to have too many targets to shoot at having 3x squads heavy weapons team w/ML,3x squads Armored Sentinels w/PC and 3x Helvingers. But I think mass infantry might be a better choice. I dont have the codex so im not seeing the whole picture. I read your replies to smotejob's melee gaurd and found the interesting combos of the inquisitor and priest to be intriuging.