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Didn't we see the playable characters in one of the leaked images?

Isn't the female character some sort of Stormcast?

I also think we will get the main boxed core game and then 6 expansions similar to BSF. Each expansion will be a location on the map that includes new adversaries and tiles.

It's possible that each expansion will have a boss in it too which is why there seem more than usual?

Edit: ignore my bit about the number of expansions.... totally didn't see the other 4 locations on the map, lol.

Wow, I'd be very surprised if this didn't become a stock item but then again I suppose other big games (Space Hulk) didn't.

If it's not going to be a stock item I guess this doesn't bode well for further expansions, which i assumed would follow the pattern of Blackstone Fortress.

I think some of the negative comments from the "disappointed" video fail to take into account how enemies react differently when there is also a "boss" on the board.

For example, if Gorslav the Gravekeeper turns up the zombies double activate.

I'm sure other "bosses" have similar effects on bat swarms etc.

So, yes, often times you will have enemies spawning far away and have to travel to them, but at other times that won't be the case.

And surely this adds to the tension? You have to kill a certain number of enemies in a set time but if the type of enemies you need to kill don't show up you have to fight through the chaff as quickly as you can to force them to spawn?

This means your party won't want to huddle together in one area and you will need to split up and manage the spawn points effectively.

I do, however, agree that it might turn into a bit of a grind, but my group played BSF once a week for 4 months before we completed the main set (with only 4 characters) and never got bored.

Aeneades wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
I had a broken part (without the missing piece in the box) so contacted customer service. The policy seems to have changed as they are saying as I ordered from a third party they are not able to assist me at all in providing a replacement. Up until now they have always been good at helping out.

Given that’s it’s the weapon for a box and not something that is easy to substitute it’s pretty disappointing.

That's a very odd change

In the past they've only ever asked for a receipt as proof of sale from 3rd parties. That is unless they want you to return it ot the store you got it from and have the store contact GW direct?


Then again perhaps they just can't use their normal "send a whole new box" policy with this and there aren't many other ways to replace single parts from plastic sprue.

That’s the experience I have always had previously when purchasing from third parties. They even asked for proof of my third party purchase before coming back with the response to go back to the seller. Unfortunately, even if returning the whole box for a replacement was an option, I didn’t see the missing piece until I had already made the models from two of the sprues (started on the generic enemies before moving onto the bosses).

This exact same thing happened to me a while ago. I ordered one of the Kill Team expansions from my local FLFGS but when it arrived the boards were really badly damaged. I contacted GW as they are usually really good and they asked me to take photos of the damage which is also not unusual. However, once they saw my proof of purchase they asked me to go back to the store that sold the item to me and ask them to replace it. This had never happened before and I think it's only really when a product isn't readily available (the Kill Team expansions also sold out in record time). Luckily the store had a spare copy and I swapped but usually GW would have sent me a replacement, no questions asked. And in UK if product is damaged it's usually the manufacturer you contact for a replacement.

I thought that under UK trading laws the manufacturer had to provide a replacement for faulty goods.

However, it seems that isn't the case (it only applies to products with a warranty).

So if you end up with a damaged set or a set with missing parts than it is the retailer that has to fix this.

That really sucks if the product in question is unavailable before you even receive it......

This means (I guess) you can get a refund but probably not a replacement at the moment.

Aeneades wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Fortunately, since the product isn't limited, you just need to return it and wait for replacement.

Unfortunately I had already started to build the units before noticing the damage on the bosses sprue so can’t return.

That's not true, you should still be able to return it as long as it's within a "reasonable" time frame (usually around 30 days but depends on the product). It's not something you would have necessarily noticed right away and if the product was faulty at the time of purchase you are entitled to a refund or replacement. Being used does not affect your statutory rights.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Gone off the UK webstore.

Whoopsie!

Yeah, was about to post the same but wasn't sure if it was just me. Doesn't appear in searches and if I go back to my orders and click it I get "404 error expunged from records".

This is annoying as I usually use the high def webstore images for painting references and use the 360 degree views to be able to see the back of the models. Bugger.

GW have a few other things to contend with as well as COVID.

The change over to their new stock management system hasn't gone as planned and they have had to draft in help from a third party.

They also haven't moved into their new stock management hub in Leicester yet which means they are in a bit of a tricky situation managing stock levels due to space constraints.

Add in delays caused by COVID and the Ever Green Suez fiasco and you have a perfect storm that might be affecting them more badly than previously thought.

However, there's no reason they couldn't communicate this, unless they are worried about it affecting share prices.

I do believe Cursed City will come back, I just don't think even GW know when.

I would normally defend GW until the cows come home, and it's possible there are reasons we don't know about that explain the situation, but I have to admit I'm sat here scratching my head on this one.

How could they get this so wrong? Production issues aside why would they repeatedly say it will be a stock item when, clearly, it's not?

Their comms on this has been sub-par but this isn't the first time the Warhammer Community team have sent out misleading comms (the re-released KT sets for example).

But the other thing that strikes me as odd is the lost potential with Cursed City.

It's not a bad game by any stretch (it does rip off elements from other games like Massive Darkness) and the minis are not only gorgeous but also, obviously, designed with non-hobbyists in mind.

This would have been a great "gateway" game into the hobby if they could have got it out into stores that don't usually sell GW stuff but do sell board-games.

However, having it sell out in minutes on their own webstore and then not being able to supply bricks and mortar stores means that the the only people that actually bought it are people already familar with the IP.

But, anecdotally, taking myself as an example. I have no interest in AoS (because I have too much unpainted 40K stuff) but do like board-games.

I bought Cursed City as a one off because, hey, who doesn't love vampires and zombies?

But then, I bought the Crimson Court and am now looking at skeleton and vampire models and before I know it I will probably have an AoS undead army. Or at least I might start playing Warcry.

How many other new players could they have attracted with this set?

I think something must have gone wrong with this release, no idea what, but I cannot fathom why this didn't automatically become a range item, even if it was a webstore/WarhammerWorld exclusive.

I am also concerned that the expansions mentioned in the core set may never see the light of day.

 Togusa wrote:

StraightSilver wrote:


I am also concerned that the expansions mentioned in the core set may never see the light of day.

What are you referring to? Core Set?

The Cursed City Rulebook and Quest book (which I considered to be the core set) state that Cursed City is the first in a planned set of adventures in Ulfenkarn and make reference to at least 2 expansions. Pretty sure the map on the Cursed City website also has locations not visited in the core set?

An interesting video:

https://youtu.be/asg9BjkRpWw

So it seems that the community team were, inadvertently, giving out incorrect information as it was intended to be a limited release.

Also speculation that, sadly, this was Brexit related.

The main reason for all of the issues at GW right now is this:

https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/15/games_workshop_erp_saga/

An earlier post about the same thing:

https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/14/games_workshop_warns_of_risks_in_microsoft_dynamics_365_erp_project/

This is a big deal for any company and if you read the first article can be devastating if not implemented correctly.

Frankly, it hasn't gone swimmingly and now a 3rd party has been drafted in to help (now on GW payroll permanently).

This has affected absolutely every aspect of their business and is causing quite a few headaches.

Combine this with the move into the new distribution hub (delayed by COVID and the above), Brexit (GW is being hit hard because it's products are manufactured in multiple countries of origin), Nottinghamshire Council not playing ball relating to GW's need for extra electricity supply so it can ramp up manufacturing, COVID causing all sorts of delays/problems, and Ever Green and you have a perfect storm that is hitting GW really badly right now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

StraightSilver wrote:
The main reason for all of the issues at GW right now is this:

https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/15/games_workshop_erp_saga/

An earlier post about the same thing:

https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/14/games_workshop_warns_of_risks_in_microsoft_dynamics_365_erp_project/

This is a big deal for any company and if you read the first article can be devastating if not implemented correctly.

ERP means something else where I live

This seems likely for preorder disruption, not really for Cursed City vanishing.

ERP literally controls everything. If GW can't track where it is, where they are going to store it, how many they can manufacture, how they can get it to stores, how much the components cost etc etc I could quite easily see them doing a short, safe run for now and then looking at re-releasing it later if they can.

callidusx3 wrote:
I'm a little late to this Cursed City fiasco, but here's a thought...

Being an intellectual property attorney with experience in trademark and copyright infringement litigation, it occurred to me that this behavior by GW, particularly the scrubbing of its websites of all Cursed City content, could mean that GW received a legitimate cease and desist letter. There is no good PR to address such a mess so late in a products release cycle. If the models are coming back later, then the issue is with the game setting (i.e. copyright infringement) or junior trademark (i.e. TM infringement).

This is very unlikely, especially as the Cursed City website is still live.

I think the reason they have removed the product from the webstore and the links on the Warhammer Community pages is simply because people can't get the game. The WarCom articles are also still active though, you just can't link to them from the main page. And the YouTube videos are also still active.

If they had removed all online content I would agree it sounds plausible, but there still official GW content available online.